C&E are over, has your parish finally gotten the new translation down? - Page 3

Imperial Guard · #31 Apr 12, '12, 10:23 am

My parish has a lot of CEO (Christmas and Easter only) Catholics, so the Easter Mass was a bit jumbled as the old responses and the new mixed together. At the college chapel, the old people who show up for daily Mass often slip up.

Thomas Francis · #32 Apr 12, '12, 11:51 am

The only thing that I can't get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I'm gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

CatholicZ09 · #33 Apr 12, '12, 12:05 pm

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The only thing that I can't get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I'm gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

I have the same problem when the "Our Father" is chanted. I always know what to say when we recite it, but whenever we chant it, I actually have to think about what comes next.

LoyalViews · #34 Apr 12, '12, 1:24 pm

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I have the same problem when the "Our Father" is chanted. I always know what to say when we recite it, but whenever we chant it, I actually have to think about what comes next.

He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That's why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

SMHW · #35 Apr 12, '12, 1:52 pm

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He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That's why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

Huh. It's just the opposite for me. I don't have to think when singing/chanting. (Unless I don't know the notes/tones.

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**LilyM** · #36 Apr 12, '12, 6:17 pm

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The only thing that I can't get down for the life of me is the Sanctus when its just spoken in English. Sung, I'm gravy, but I always start to say power instead of hosts when we just say it.

I'm the same with the Gloria - 'Lord Jesus Christ, only-begotten Son' comes easily when we sing it, but saying it I find it aged not to revert to 'Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father ...'

**ProVobis** · #37 Apr 12, '12, 6:56 pm

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He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That's why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

Actually the phrase is bis orat qui bene cantat… "he who sings well prays twice."

What St. Augustine did say:

Qui enim cantat laudem, non solum laudat, sed etiam hilariter laudat; qui cantat laudem, non solum cantat, sed et amat eum quem cantat. In laude confitentis est praedicatio, in cantico amantis affectio…For he who sings praise, does not only praise, but also praises joyously; he who sings praise, is not only singing, but also loving Him whom he is singing about/to/for. There is a praise-filled public proclamation (praedicatio) in the praise of someone who is confessing/acknowledging (God), in the song of the lover (there is) there is deep love.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2006/06/who-s...ays-twice-not/

marytk · #38 Apr 13, '12, 1:19 pm

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He who sings, prays twice - St Augustine

That's why singing is praying twice, I suppose, because you have to think harder and do mini-meditations on almost every word. Which is different than just saying it, I gather!

I think it depends on what you are use to. I had to use the "cheat sheets" this week to SAY the Gloria. I do ok when we sing it. Even with the old translation I had to think about it when we said it and I could coast singing. But, it is the other way for the Our Father. When we sing (VERY rare) I have to think more about it. I realize now that is true for some of the responses. as well. I actually like it when I have to think about what I say more.

LoyalViews · #39 Apr 15, '12, 6:18 pm

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Huh. It's just the opposite for me. I don't have to think when singing/chanting. (Unless I don't know the notes/tones.

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Well then it doesn't apply to you

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Actually the phrase is bis orat qui bene cantat… "he who sings well prays twice."

What St. Augustine did say:

Qui enim cantat laudem, non solum laudat, sed etiam hilariter laudat; qui cantat laudem, non solum cantat, sed et amat eum quem cantat. In laude confitentis est praedicatio, in cantico amantis affectio…For he who sings praise, does not only praise, but also praises joyously; he who sings praise, is not only singing, but also loving Him whom he is singing about/to/for. There is a praise-filled public proclamation (praedicatio) in the praise of someone who is confessing/acknowledging (God), in the song of the lover (there is) there is deep love.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2006/06/who-s...ays-twice-not/

He who sings well prays twice.

That doesn't apply to me then either. I can't sing a note if it were one I wrote.

kwitz · #40 Apr 15, '12, 7:22 pm

I realized today that my own parish actually has the responses down pretty well. Today we went to Mass at my DFIL's nursing home. Talk about mumbled chaos. For obvious reasons, many of the residents don't have a clue about the changes. Combine this with the fact that the nursing home is the retirement center for the order of nuns who run the place where many of the nuns won't say "Him" or "He" in reference to God the Father and it was almost entertaining in a sad sort of way.

Kris

**ProVobis** · #41 Apr 15, '12, 7:40 pm

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Well then it doesn't apply to you

He who sings well prays twice.

That doesn't apply to me then either. I can't sing a note if it were one I wrote.

Try singing in Latin or Italian. A lot of people have trouble singing in English.

YoungTradCath · #42 Apr 15, '12, 7:46 pm

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Try singing in Latin or Italian. A lot of people have trouble singing in English.

I do find it much easier to sing Latin than English, yes, even though I haven't had a lick of formal Latin courses.

LoyalViews · #43 Apr 15, '12, 7:59 pm

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Try singing in Latin or Italian. A lot of people have trouble singing in English.

I'll have to ask my neighbour's permission first

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I do find it much easier to sing Latin than English, yes, even though I haven't had a lick of formal Latin courses.

Ah, but I need to pray twice to sing rather than sing well to pray twice.

ZoeyBdo · #44 Apr 15, '12, 8:12 pm

I am still hearing a lot of everything blended. I think I have it down pretty well...

My only problem is forgetting to kneel for the Eucharistic prayer because everyone is standing, and I know that we are supposed to kneel, but then I catch myself halfway through it.

I will get that down!! (I'm a former C&E... made the commitment on Ash Wednesday!)

**LilyM** · #45 Apr 16, '12, 1:29 am

Pleased to report that yesterday we said 'it is right and just' - and not a single solitary 'it is right to give Him thanks and praise' nor even an 'it is mumble mumble mumble'