Bible stories----which are real and which are tales? - Page 3

Jerry-Jet · #31 Apr 21, '12, 11:18 am

God is REAL.

His Word is REAL.

The Bible is REAL.

It all points to the Word which is Jesus!

I'll tell you this--the people who don't believe the bible are also the people who don't believe in Jesus!

The Catholic Church believes in the bible.

The Catholic Church believes in Jesus.

People in Hell don't believe in either.

Uzziah1 · #32 Apr 21, '12, 11:51 am

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I'll tell you this--the people who don't believe the bible are also the people who don't believe in Jesus!
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People in Hell don't believe in either.

Hi, Jerry. Your dedication is praiseworthy. The Bible, however, is complex.

Take your Catholic Bible.and go to 2 Samuel 21:19. It says, "...Elhannan, son of Jair from Bethlehem, killed Goliath ..."

Do you believe that?

Go to the Book of Judith, Chapter 1, Verse 1. It mentions "Nebuchadnezzar, King of the Assyrians in the great city of Ninevah." Nebuchadnezzar was King of the Babylonians, and indeed, of the Assyrians as a captive people.

But, he never ruled "in the great city of Ninevah."

Ninevah was annihilated about 7 years before his rule commenced. It remained a ruins-covered backwater for centuries.

So, do you believe Judith 1:1?

The Bible was not inspired to be a perfectly accurate history book.

Bernadette173 · #33 Apr 21, '12, 9:39 pm

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Hi, Jerry. Your dedication is praiseworthy. The Bible, however, is complex.

Take your Catholic Bible.and go to 2 Samuel 21:19. It says, "...Elhannan, son of Jair from Bethlehem, killed Goliath ..."

Do you believe that?

Go to the Book of Judith, Chapter 1, Verse 1. It mentions "Nebuchadnezzar, King of the Assyrians in the great city of Ninevah." Nebuchadnezzar was King of the Babylonians, and indeed, of the Assyrians as a captive people.

But, he never ruled "in the great city of Ninevah."

Ninevah was annihilated about 7 years before his rule commenced. It remained a ruins-covered backwater for centuries.

So, do you believe Judith 1:1?

The Bible was not inspired to be a perfectly accurate history book.

Yes you are correct, the bible is indeed complex. this is why Christ left the Apostles and the Catholic Church as the authority on interpretation of the Bible and her verses.And to govern in His name..The Bible also instructs us that we are to follow Sacred Tradition alongside Sacread Scripture (2 Thess 2:15, 3:6).. This means going to the living authority [the CC with questions] one may hold with the text within the Bible. It is not to be left to private interpretation, but to be shared in as much with the parishoners and priest to help guide one in the proper meaning of the words therein. this is the duty that falls upon the CC as a whole. So that no one be left with misinterpreted words and verses.and also Oral Tradition is also needed to be followed. going to and participating in the Mass is also something that is supposed to go hand and hand with the reading of Scripture during the week.

The Founding Fathers of the US Constitution left the Supreme Court as the official Authority on interpretation of the Constitution of the United States of America. So that by doing so there would be no divisions, and endless guessing as to what the laws meant, and chaos and trouble ensuing as each person would interpret for themselves what the laws meant. In the same respect, Christ left the Church as a living authority on the Scripture, and verse of the Bible, and what was to be passed on to His followers. uncorrupted from error until the end of time. And the 'Office of Peter' would last until Christ's return. The office of Peter is the Papacy that all of our Popes belong to, and speak infaillably from the Vatican and the chair of St. Peter. Christ bestowed infaillability upon Peter and all of his successors And it is in this infaillable state that the Bible, and it's Scripture obtains its authority..

itullian · #34 Apr 22, '12, 12:44 am

is the church confused because it won't take a stand on Adam and Eve? why won't they take a stand on if they're real or myth?

that we can accept either doesn't make sense to me. don't they know?

maybe not,i guess.

MLP67 · #35 Apr 22, '12, 12:56 am

Good question Itull

God tells us his word is "truth". So if something is of "truth", you wouldn't imagine there to be stories or lies involved. I see things as being pretty black and white in the bible, like when we are told.... let your "Yes" mean yes and your "no" mean no. Straight up, straight to the point messages. No fairy tales. So i believe the Bible stories to be true.
Hope you are having a good day
Michelle

itullian · #36 Apr 22, '12, 1:10 am

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Good question Itull

God tells us his word is "truth". So if something is of "truth", you wouldn't imagine there to be stories or lies involved. I see things as being pretty black and white in the bible, like when we are told.... let your "Yes" mean yes and your "no" mean no. Straight up, straight to the point messages. No fairy tales. So i believe the Bible stories to be true.
Hope you are having a good day
Michelle

Dixie Chicks rule........

MLP67 · #37 Apr 22, '12, 1:36 am

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Dixie Chicks rule........

Amen

Uzziah1 · #38 Apr 23, '12, 5:46 am

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Originally Posted by itullian

is the church confused because it won't take a stand on Adam and Eve? why won't they take a stand on if they're real or myth?

that we can accept either doesn't make sense to me. don't they know?

maybe not,i guess.

We are apparently not allowed to discuss this issue in this website, because to affirm that Adam and Eve rweally happened is to implicitly deny evolution.

The adminstrators, in their wisdom, feel that the anger on this subject is too great.

clem456 · #39 Apr 23, '12, 5:57 am

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We are apparently not allowed to discuss this issue in this website, because to affirm that Adam and Eve rweally happened is to implicitly deny evolution.

The adminstrators, in their wisdom, feel that the anger on this subject is too great.

No. The Genesis revelation of Adam and Eve does not deny evolution. The Church does not believe in Godless evolution.

The Church does not interpret the Bible in a literalistic sense. It is taken in a literal sense however. Bible literature is the inerrant word of God, written by authors who were inspired by the Holy Spirit. The truth in the bible transcends historical proof, although it is also history. I don't know what you are referring to with the website, but the site is about courteous and knowlegable discussion.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PP.HTM
The senses of Scripture

115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. the profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
1. the allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
2. the moral sense. the events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85
3. the anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86

118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:

The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.87

119 "It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, towards a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgement. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgement of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God."88

**Contarini** · #40 Apr 28, '12, 3:19 pm

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Good question Itull

God tells us his word is "truth". So if something is of "truth", you wouldn't imagine there to be stories or lies involved.

The fact that you equate stories and lies shows your profound lack of appreciation of stories.

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I see things as being pretty black and white in the bible, like when we are told.... let your "Yes" mean yes and your "no" mean no.

You're taking that statement out of context. And that's the problem with "black and white" interpretations. They actually do violence to the meaning of Scripture, because language doesn't work that way.

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Straight up, straight to the point messages. No fairy tales.

Why on earth would anyone believe in such a revelation?

If the Bible didn't contain fairy tales, then I'd find me a holy book that did.

But as it happens, the Bible obviously does contain fairy tales.

Edwin