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Old Apr 23, '12, 12:59 pm
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May America follow Ireland's example and embrace the sanctity of life!

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Is there then NO abortion under any circumstances allowed in the Republic?
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Old Apr 23, '12, 1:09 pm
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Is there then NO abortion allowed in the Republic?
That is right, Rich. In theory there are occassions under which abortion could be performed but no doctor will perform the procedure for fear of the possible legal consequences.
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A great day for all unborn Irish Children - thanks be to God!



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Old Apr 23, '12, 1:10 pm
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England in fairness is stricter than many US states as to when abortion may be used. Although that's hardly something to boast about it it is something a number of British posters have pointed out in times past on the forum.
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That is right, Rich. In theory there are occassions under which abortion could be performed but no doctor will perform the procedure for fear of the possible legal consequences.
A good outcome, but it will mean that a number of women will be heading to the U.K. for the procedure.
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Old Apr 23, '12, 1:16 pm
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A good outcome, but it will mean that a number of women will be heading to the U.K. for the procedure.
Yes Rich my fellow Irishmen and women here are well aware of what is called in moments of black humor 'abortion tourism'. We know that occurs, but we can hardly ban all outbound travel on the grounds people may do morally wrong things abroad.
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That is right, Rich. In theory there are occassions under which abortion could be performed but no doctor will perform the procedure for fear of the possible legal consequences.
One would think that they'd fear the spiritual consequences more.....
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One would think that they'd fear the spiritual consequences more.....
That would of course depend on each individual doctor's view on the morality of abortion. Technically there exist under law a few very, very exceptional situations in which an abortion MIGHT be legal, but that's never been put to the actual test for a variety of reasons.
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What is the need to refer to the English in that fashion? It seems unduly combative, even those of us who are Irish here and fairly nationalist such as myself do not walk around referencing the British people in that style.

I am a Sinn Fein member myself and this kind of issue highlights the divide in the party between members at grassroots level. Some of the membership are fairly anti-clerical, anti-clericalism has always been an issue in Irish republican parties it must be said. I am on the left on most issues but confuse others who share my views on those issues due to the fact that I detest abortion and do not want it introduced it to Ireland. Unfortunately for some of us who do belong to Sinn Fein the divisive nature of these questions may eventually force us to resign our membership, for me if push comes to shove the Church's teaching are more important than nationalism.

I do not see this as such a hopeful moment as others do. The debate would have been unthinkable say 20 years ago. Also the Dail has 166 members, since a large number did not vote one wonders was that tactical abstensionism on their part. Twenty member is still over 10 percent of the Dail voting in favour of the horrors of abortion also. Which is very worrying.
it's just that it's such a patently Brittish expression; the bloody this, the bleedin that...amazing how fittingly it applies in this struggle that is really about the protection of the lives of unborn Irish babies, or do you doubt English influence is at all still at work in Irish politics? Hey I love Brittish history, and I know there's good and bad in every kind, heck our founding fathers were freeborn Englishmen; I wonder what anyone of them would say about the elimination of the protection of life itself in unborn America.
You should be ecstatic in your country, you just defeated the world that stalks your unborn, don't worry about hairsplitting political exigencies. And If I may say you're worrying too much; 10% for death meant there was 90% for life! That's unheard of in any of the conventions of the world at this date in time. Relax, smile, breathe in the air of righteous victory, raise a pint or two
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Why do the Irish hate their women? Why are they waging war on their reproductive rights!
What they're showing in this law is a much deeper love and respect for their women and their children than the mindset of the average modernist can even appreciate, after having been innundated with so much pro abortion propaganda for so long that they can't admit the known fact that abortion is harmful to women, not beneficial.

You can only speak for Irish women if you're supposing that the majority of Irish women are against this law that protects life, there's a quieter maybe even silent majority of them that I'm sure are thanking God that the government has shown itself to be courageous and honorable in doing what was morally right, not just what would have been politically expedient.

Reproductive rights have to do with the right to have the offspring not to take their lives away from them, just ask 300 million Chinese if what starts out as a right to have an abortion can't be turned into a forced rule outlawing the birth of their babies.
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If you read other posts by Scott you will see how tongue in cheek he was been.
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A good outcome, but it will mean that a number of women will be heading to the U.K. for the procedure.
That's okay, they won't die while they're on their way and they'll have time to really think about what they are about to do; and they'll have time to think about what is really going to happen, which may lead them to realize that they have within them their own precious baby that is not only their own but God's and the father of the child's also. I hope many of them will make known their stories because there's going to be alot of them that are going to have a change of heart and are going to be some of the best mothers a kid could ever have.
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Old Apr 27, '12, 1:32 pm
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That is right, Rich. In theory there are occassions under which abortion could be performed but no doctor will perform the procedure for fear of the possible legal consequences.
See, this is all good, now they can get back to concentrating on the intent purpose of the practice of medicine which is to preserve life, not destroy it. They're probably much relieved that the law let's them go back to being doctors instead of abortionists who have to absorb the shame and guilt of an abortion on demand society that takes no responsibility for it's moral delinquency.
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See, this is all good, now they can get back to concentrating on the intent purpose of the practice of medicine which is to preserve life, not destroy it. They're probably much relieved that the law let's them go back to being doctors instead of abortionists who have to absorb the shame and guilt of an abortion on demand society that takes no responsibility for it's moral delinquency.
Like most countries Ireland's doctrors vary in their opinions regarding the matter and there is no monolithic view present across the medical world there regarding it.
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