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Old Apr 23, '12, 3:12 am
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Default Is singing copyrighted songs a sin?

I just want to ask do I infringe copyright by using karaoke tracks from youtube and sing it at home when there's only myself present, and I recorded it just to playback and see how I sounded? If I'm infringing copyright, am I sinning? I don't distribute the recording to others, but I've read somewhere that the public shouldn't sing songs from musicals as they're protected. Any ideas?
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Old Apr 23, '12, 3:41 am
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Your question is really a legal question, not a theological question. What might be illegal (in any particular jurisdiction) might not be sinful. After all, Christianity itself was illegal in ancient Rome for centuries.

It is surely neither illegal (in the United States) nor sinful to sing copyrighted songs. We sing such songs every Sunday at Mass. We (hopefully) do so using printed hymnals or worship aids which are properly licensed.

Suppose I listen to the radio, and a particular song is played often (presumably with proper license), and I learn this song. I am free to sing it when working in my garage. Or I might buy an album (musicals are a favorite genre of mine) and sing along. Both activities are perfectly legal (in the United States) and ethical (in the eyes of the Church).

Karaoke tunes are not as easy to define. Maybe they are legal and ethical, and maybe they are not. For example, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is not under any sort of copyright protection, and thus any orchestra may perform it. That orchestra's recording may be placed (by the orchestra) in the public domain, free of copyright restrictions. Such a recording can be used as a karaoke recording for the popular hymn, "Joyful, joyful we adore thee (...God of glory, Lord of love...)" written by Henry van Dike in 1907 - also not encumbered by (US) copyright laws. (Henry's last name is properly spelled with a "y" in place of the "i" but CAF profanity filters overwrite this word with asterisks).
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Old Apr 23, '12, 4:33 am
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I just want to ask do I infringe copyright by using karaoke tracks from youtube and sing it at home when there's only myself present, and I recorded it just to playback and see how I sounded? If I'm infringing copyright, am I sinning? I don't distribute the recording to others, but I've read somewhere that the public shouldn't sing songs from musicals as they're protected. Any ideas?
No, no, and no.
Sing at ease...
Anytime we will have copyright on words and sentences...
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I just want to ask do I infringe copyright by using karaoke tracks from youtube and sing it at home when there's only myself present, and I recorded it just to playback and see how I sounded? If I'm infringing copyright, am I sinning? I don't distribute the recording to others, but I've read somewhere that the public shouldn't sing songs from musicals as they're protected. Any ideas?
I used to play keyboards. It's said that if you were playing publically and were intending to make a profit from your performance you had to make sure you paid for A) the official music sheets and B) a license to be able to do that. I am speaking however from the UK.

Public use in your own home isn't a problem. However, if you are downloading music from youtube instead of paying for it then you may be breaking the law, even if it is for your own personal use. It's no different to downloading the full song. Whether its a karaoke version or not makes no difference.
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No, no, and no.
Sing at ease...
Anytime we will have copyright on words and sentences...
The OP isn't just talking about singing, but downloading part of the music.
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Old Apr 23, '12, 6:03 am
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If you are not trying to make money off of it then I don't think you need to worry about legal issues. You are NOT sinning. Don't worry about it.
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I used to play keyboards. It's said that if you were playing publically and were intending to make a profit from your performance you had to make sure you paid for A) the official music sheets and B) a license to be able to do that. I am speaking however from the UK.

Public use in your own home isn't a problem. However, if you are downloading music from youtube instead of paying for it then you may be breaking the law, even if it is for your own personal use. It's no different to downloading the full song. Whether its a karaoke version or not makes no difference.
When you say downloading from You Tube, do you mean just actually hiting the play button and watching a video? If so, you need to slow down and take into consideration that musicans often have offical You Tube or Vevo channels and will upload videos to those web sites.
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When you say downloading from You Tube, do you mean just actually hiting the play button and watching a video? If so, you need to slow down and take into consideration that musicans often have offical You Tube or Vevo channels and will upload videos to those web sites.
That isn't downloading, what you describe is streaming.

Downloading onto your computer without paying for it or permission is breaking the law.
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I just want to ask do I infringe copyright by using karaoke tracks from youtube and sing it at home when there's only myself present, and I recorded it just to playback and see how I sounded? If I'm infringing copyright, am I sinning? I don't distribute the recording to others, but I've read somewhere that the public shouldn't sing songs from musicals as they're protected. Any ideas?
Hello. The problem with your text is when you ask: "If I'm infringing copyright, am I sinning?"

The answer for that question, alone, is yes.

What is not clear from your text is if you are indeed infringing copyright or not. Playing videos on youtube is not infringing copyright.

Recording yourself singing is not infringing copyright as well.

But downloading copyrighted songs that demand payments without paying for it is a sin. However, you are saying this is not effectively songs, but it's about karaoke songs.

I really have doubt on this one.
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Old Apr 23, '12, 7:47 am
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Oh just to clarify one thing: I usually just play the karaoke video on YouTube and record
It with me singing the vocal part.
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According to the music industry, humming a tune in the shower is violating copyright law.
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According to the music industry, humming a tune in the shower is violating copyright law.
As long as people are paying you for humming the tune, that is.

If you're doing it for free, there's not much the law can do about it.
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As long as people are paying you for humming the tune, that is.

If you're doing it for free, there's not much the law can do about it.
Not if the music industry has its way.
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As long as people are paying you for humming the tune, that is.

If you're doing it for free, there's not much the law can do about it.
But the OP has stated they are recording the music.

Even if its just a "kareoke" version e.g. without lyrics, it's still copyrighted music.
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