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I don't agree with her statement but I don't think its sexist. I think that she has a pessimistic view of human nature. That the well being of one sex cannot be trusted with the other.
I don't see any indication in Quinn's writing that she believes the same would be true in the reverse, i.e. that a group of females could not possibly treat a group of males justly. Do you have an example from her in mind?
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Bad comparison, as fleas and Mosquitos can both carry fatal microbes.

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That`s why i said "a healthy person", to at least try to cover that possibility. After all, some spiritually unhealthy folks have been stricken with severe illnesses from that quarter.
The other thing is: i couldn`t think of anything more contemptible than a flea or a mosquito.
That`s what i think of the outlook of those types.

Any more apt suggestions for next time? Keep in mind that they also have to cause irritation!

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The radical feminists aren`t above it, though. They hate us men, but they want to be like us. And they have a lust for power.
They are like men in that they lust for power, yes.

They are not like men in the sense that they are systematically denied power within the Church due to their gender.
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I'd say the statement has more to do with anti-celibacy and anti-Church than anti-male, per se.
Yes, I agree with this interpretation...as per several other posters, here.
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The radical feminists aren`t above it, though. They hate us men, but they want to be like us. And they have a lust for power.

Feminists don't hate all men.
They dislike dumb men in charge who make decisions out of fear and selfishness that prevent women from living to their rightful, God-given potential.

And believe me--they do not want to be like you...not in a zillion years.

Hey...if we call women who have a lust for power "radical feminists"...what's the name we call men who have a lust for power?
Is there derogatory word for men, too, who feel and do the exact same thing?
Masculinist?

Nah. I think the word is...Ambitious! Assertive!
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Old Apr 30, '12, 12:58 am
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Hey...if we call women who have a lust for power "radical feminists"...what's the name we call men who have a lust for power?
Is there derogatory word for men, too, who feel and do the exact same thing?
Masculinist?

Nah. I think the word is...Ambitious! Assertive!
Yep, pretty much.
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"That those in charge of the Catholic Church are all celibate men already eliminates the possibility of justice."
Sally Quinn, Washington post, 4/24/12, commenting on the forthcoming doctrinal assessment of the LCWR.

She's pretty much saying that if you are a male who's not sexually active, you can't treat a woman justly.


Not having read the thousands of anti-male statements made so far this year, I would still have to say that it's going to take a lot to top this one.

I don't hear feminists saying that the nuns who were sanctioned are incapable of making just decicions because those in charge are a group of celibate women. It is assumed by so many feminists that men are evil, unless they can prove themselves good on a case-by-case basis. The fact that the priests aren't sexually active makes them all the more suspect, but that's window dressing for her, really. The route cause of this supposed essential injustice is their maleness.

The writer didn't say that a goup of celibate people can't make just decisions. She said "That those in charge of the Catholic Church are all celibate men already eliminates the possibility of justice." It's clear that she's saying that any group of celibate men are, by nature, incapable of being just. She doesn't know exactly which men will be making decisions. The problem isn't with any particular man or group of known men. The problem is simply with men.

Yes. That was a very anti-male statement. That the statement was also anti-Catholic hierarchy is only evidence of a very efficient day at the keyboard for the author -- 2 birds with one stone and all.
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Not having read the thousands of anti-male statements made so far this year, I would still have to say that it's going to take a lot to top this one.

I don't hear feminists saying that the nuns who were sanctioned are incapable of making just decicions because those in charge are a group of celibate women. It is assumed by so many feminists that men are evil, unless they can prove themselves good on a case-by-case basis. The fact that the priests aren't sexually active makes them all the more suspect, but that's window dressing for her, really. The route cause of this supposed essential injustice is their maleness.

The writer didn't say that a goup of celibate people can't make just decisions. She said "That those in charge of the Catholic Church are all celibate men already eliminates the possibility of justice." It's clear that she's saying that any group of celibate men are, by nature, incapable of being just.
Just as the Church is saying that ALL women are "by nature" incapable of being leaders.

One good turn deserves another, it seems.
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Feminists don't hate all men.
They dislike dumb men in charge who make decisions out of fear and selfishness that prevent women from living to their rightful, God-given potential.

And believe me--they do not want to be like you...not in a zillion years.

Hey...if we call women who have a lust for power "radical feminists"...what's the name we call men who have a lust for power?
Is there derogatory word for men, too, who feel and do the exact same thing?
Masculinist?

Nah. I think the word is...Ambitious! Assertive!
nope, we call em jerks, power hungry, controlling, having a "god complex" and an array of other things. usually people who call them "ambitious, assertive" are of the same ilk.
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Just as the Church is saying that ALL women are "by nature" incapable of being leaders.

One good turn deserves another, it seems.
Is that what the Church says? That women are incapable of being leaders? You'll have to provide a link to that particular doctrine.

Too late to edit, but root not route.
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Is that what the Church says? That women are incapable of being leaders? You'll have to provide a link to that particular doctrine.

Too late to edit, but root not route.
I'm not sure how they phrase it as a rule, but if you hear of a woman running a parish or a diocese or becoming Pope, definitely let me know about that.

As far as I'm aware, they are not allowed lead due to one crucial flaw: they are female.
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I'm not sure how they phrase it as a rule, but if you hear of a woman running a parish or a diocese or becoming Pope, definitely let me know about that.

As far as I'm aware, they are not allowed lead due to one crucial flaw: they are female.

You'll have to provide the facts on that. You're making a statement and are even saying what you think the reason/motive is, but you haven't shown that the Church says that women can't be leaders in the first place,

I know that the Church doesn't have female priests, but does the Church really say that women can't be, "aren't capable of being", leaders?
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I'm not sure how they phrase it as a rule, but if you hear of a woman running a parish or a diocese or becoming Pope, definitely let me know about that.

As far as I'm aware, they are not allowed lead due to one crucial flaw: they are female.
There are plenty of women running parishes.
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"What this says is that the Catholic hierarchy is on a suicidal mission and beginning to disintegrate."

Is that why every "progressive" and "open" community, such as the Episcopalians, are falling apart before our eyes? And is that why the Catholic Church is receiving record number of seminarians in many parts of the world in 40+ years?

I don't think so.
Some fools believe that they can merely state that something is happening, and that by doing so, they sow the seed that will make it become true and happen.

How fortunate for the rest of the world that it simply doesn't work that way!
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They are like men in that they lust for power, yes.
Explain it that way to Dame Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Mrs Gandhi, Boadicea and other women who have been great leaders. i don`t think they`d like your choice of words. They got to their positions through MERIT, not by throwing tantrums like spoilt brats!

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They are not like men in the sense that they are systematically denied power within the Church due to their gender.
i know!!! It`s disgusting, isn`t it, how that nasty, celibate male-dominated Vatican refuses to "ordain" women and empower them in other ways that the radical feminists have demanded! Just ask Our Lady: she`ll tell you.

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Feminists don't hate all men.
They dislike dumb men in charge who make decisions out of fear and selfishness that prevent women from living to their rightful, God-given potential.
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And believe me--they do not want to be like you...not in a zillion years.
Phew!!! That`s a relief!!! (Wipes brow in gratitude.)
The only question, then, is: As most of them don`t want to be like women, certainly not like feminine women anyway, who or what DO they want to be like?
i`m afraid of the answer!
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Just as the Church is saying that ALL women are "by nature" incapable of being leaders.

One good turn deserves another, it seems.
"[W]omen are `by their nature` incapable of being" "PRIESTESSES". PERIOD!
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I'm not sure how they phrase it as a rule, but if you hear of a woman running a parish or a diocese or becoming Pope, definitely let me know about that.
On that day, the Catholic Church will cease to exist. Thankfully, we have Our Lord`s Word that that won`t happen, Sr Joan Chittister or any other like-minded individual notwithstanding.
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As far as I'm aware, they are not allowed lead due to one crucial flaw:
they are female.
Don`t use the word "flaw" in front of a happily married wife and mother. There are some, you know.
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Some fools believe that they can merely state that something is happening, and that by doing so, they sow the seed that will make it become true and happen.

How fortunate for the rest of the world that it simply doesn't work that way!
Amen! And long after their "scholarly" er......writings have turned to dust and been blown away by the wind, the Church founded on the Rock will be here.
The problem with viral outbreaks like this one is that you tell the same lie often enough, and some gullible folks will fall for it.

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