Dominican Third Order? - Page 16

JReducation · #**226** Apr 29, '12, 3:49 pm

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Originally Posted by jwinch2

There are plenty of Secular Franciscan Order threads and it always seems to bounce back and forth between Franciscans and Dominicans whenever either one is being discussed.

Part of it is my fault as I PM'd Brother JR asking him to jump in the thread when I started questioning my vocation as a Lay Dominican. But you know, once you open the door, those pesky Franciscans just can't help themselves. They can't resist trying to poach in Dominic's patch...

There are still a ton of great articles, etc. on Dominicans earlier in the thread.

Peace,

Hey, be nice. Were it not for St. Francis, there wouldn't be a Dominican Third Order.

Actually, during the early days it was all one movement of penitents, some leaned toward the Dominicans and others toward the Franciscans. The separation did not happen until Francis wrote his rule for the penitents in 1221.

Those who were inclined to follow Dominic approached the Priors looking for a home. Since the Dominicans never had a rule of their own, the priors could not offer one to the laity. The best they could offer was to incorporate them. That's how you come to have the current situation where there is only one Dominican Master as opposed 112 Franciscan Superiors General. It may be more than that.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

jwinch2 · #**227** Apr 29, '12, 3:59 pm

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Originally Posted by JReducation

Hey, be nice. Were it not for St. Francis, there wouldn't be a Dominican Third Order.

Can't help but get the occasional dig in...

JReducation · #**228** Apr 29, '12, 4:08 pm

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Can't help but get the occasional dig in...

We have to do something to keep these penguins in line.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

jwinch2 · #**229** Apr 29, '12, 4:39 pm

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We have to do something to keep these penguins in line.

Ha!

Melchior_ · #**230** Apr 30, '12, 9:22 pm

I'm currently reading the commentary Jason suggested on the Rule of St. Augustine. I like the author's approach, and it seems that for the first section of the book what he's saying is applicable to any Rule.

No word yet from the Priory, which is still very disconcerting. I'm beginning to re-evaluate if the Lay Dominicans is where God actually wants me to go, seeing how it's simply not getting off the ground.

There's a youth conference happening in my city in a month, and I'm a part of the music team for it. I always find myself getting spiritually enriched while doing music, so perhaps a whole weekend of doing so will result in some good fruit!

jwinch2 · #**231** May 1, '12, 6:11 am

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No word yet from the Priory, which is still very disconcerting. I'm beginning to re-evaluate if the Lay Dominicans is where God actually wants me to go, seeing how it's simply not getting off the ground.

Perhaps a gentle reminder? It has been some time now hasn't it?

Melchior_ · #**232** May 1, '12, 7:25 am

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Perhaps a gentle reminder? It has been some time now hasn't it?

I've E-Mailed him twice now, and received no response from him. He might be in France teaching and not able to check his messages though.

TrueLight · #**233** May 1, '12, 8:00 am

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Originally Posted by JReducation

We have to do something to keep these penguins in line.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

Ha ha. I'm just getting this. Talk about delayed response.

JReducation · #**234** May 1, '12, 8:09 am

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Ha ha. I'm just getting this. Talk about delayed response.

You're like my mother. She would break out into laughter when no one else was laughing. It was always the same case. It's Tuesday and she just got the punchline in Sunday's joke. She was a riot. I'm sure she's making God laugh.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV

Captain America · #**235** May 1, '12, 8:25 am

Oh, I imagine just picking up St. Thomas might be rough.

Why don't you start with Aristotle and the Nichomachean Ethics? This would be a good place to start.

Skip the summa of the summa book, then, next, and instead go with Feser's book on Aquinas by One World.

If Aquinas on metaphysics is tough, go back to Aristotle, then pick it up.

Item 2: I'm still scratching my head and wondering why contemporary people perpetuate an outdated rivalry between orders. What's the point?

JReducation · #**236** May 1, '12, 8:35 am

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Oh, I imagine just picking up St. Thomas might be rough.

Why don't you start with Aristotle and the Nichomachean Ethics? This would be a good place to start.

Skip the summa of the summa book, then, next, and instead go with Feser's book on Aquinas by One World.

If Aquinas on metaphysics is tough, go back to Aristotle, then pick it up.

Item 2: I'm still scratching my head and wondering why contemporary people perpetuate an outdated rivalry between orders. What's the point?

That's some heavy reading there.

I don't think that there is a rivalry between religious communities. I think people read more into it than is there. A lot of the misreading has to do with the policy of secrecy that is maintained by the religious communities, especially the orders of men. The policy has always been and still is, "share nothing with the laity about what happens inside the community or between communities." There is a lot of good stuff happening, but unless one is observing, which requires that one be in the place, one would not know it.

For example, everyone jokes about Jesuits, Franciscans and Dominicans. They actually work together very well and have a deep respect for each other. Unless you're in an area where you see all three, you may miss it.

When we are together, we tease the heck out of each other. Either the Franciscans or the Jesuits are usually at the receiving end. The Dominicans have a knack for dishing it our and avoiding being targeted. I'm saying this in a very positive way. I'm talking about the teasing.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, FFV

jwinch2 · #**237** May 1, '12, 9:53 am

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Item 2: I'm still scratching my head and wondering why contemporary people perpetuate an outdated rivalry between orders. What's the point?

Harmless joking. Nothing more...

Melchior_ · #**238** May 1, '12, 10:28 am

As a follow up; I called someone who is a part of a SFO chapter here in the city, and he just sent me a BUNCH of stuff via E-Mail and invited me to their next meeting.

The help out at an old folks home once a month as a group. They meet one THURSDAY a month, and you are NOT attached to the parish they attend, meaning that you can continue on any personal apostates you may have (in my case; youth ministry).

I am intrigued greatly by this, and I'm seriously thinking of getting a sitter for that evening so my wife and I can go to the meeting together. It's a stark contrast to the communications problems I am having with the local chapter of the T.O.S.D.

TrueLight · #**239** May 1, '12, 11:04 am

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Originally Posted by Melchior_

As a follow up; I called someone who is a part of a SFO chapter here in the city, and he just sent me a BUNCH of stuff via E-Mail and invited me to their next meeting.

The help out at an old folks home once a month as a group. They meet one THURSDAY a month, and you are NOT attached to the parish they attend, meaning that you can continue on any personal apostates you may have (in my case; youth ministry).

I am intrigued greatly by this, and I'm seriously thinking of getting a sitter for that evening so my wife and I can go to the meeting together. It's a stark contrast to the communications problems I am having with the local chapter of the T.O.S.D.

Verrrry Interesting.

Being welcoming always attracts and retains folks.

JReducation · #**240** May 1, '12, 7:12 pm

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Verrrry Interesting.

Being welcoming always attracts and retains folks.

It's funny that you should say that. As we get ready for the separation of the two communities, I have been meeting with the brothers who are staying. Just this morning I said to them, "Remember, the first face that a person sees when the door is answered, must always be the face of Christ."

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV