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Old May 3, '12, 1:37 pm
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Default Re: Why do we choose to believe in something that might not be real?

Actually, I don't. God has done enough in my life that I cannot doubt his existence or his ability to guide me to Heaven. Mind you, I spend time in conflict with him, anyway. I've even spent significant stretches of time infuriated with him, but it's always been the fury of a wilfull child. At this point, though, I can't doubt that he's there with me any more than I can doubt gravity.
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Old May 3, '12, 2:18 pm
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If it is beleief in ourselves, then why religion instead ofactual knowledge? Or did you mean to say "our Self?"
I have simply asked a question which refers to the "we" in the OP - without any reference to religion.
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Old May 3, '12, 3:18 pm
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i mean, it goes for every religion or belief that requires a leap of faith.

why do we do it?
I don't believe Christianity is a religion that necessarily requires a "leap of faith." Many times faith in the God of the Bible comes after much learning. In other words, people generally have to have some kind of knowledge and understanding of God before they can realize faith: "Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ" (Romans 10:17). Therefore, it can be said that faith in Christianity does not come simply by placing trust in unproven things; rather, faith comes to fruition after logically hearing, examining, and observing the evidence.
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Old May 3, '12, 10:52 pm
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i mean, it goes for every religion or belief that requires a leap of faith.

why do we do it?

I'm surprised no one has yet brought this up, but this question is not just about religion. Think of a country that you have never been to, never actually seen or experienced. Does it really exist? Of course you will respond that it does. How do you know it exists? You see and hear about it from so many people that you gather enough "proof" to accept it as true. Sure, the question about whether a country exists or not is not nearly as debated as religion and the existence/non-existence of God, but it is a similar process, you gain enough "proof" so that you accept it as true or not true, depending on which side you see the "proof".
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Old May 3, '12, 11:36 pm
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Default Re: Why do we choose to believe in something that might not be real?

Lets be honest here, we all want eternal life.
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Old May 4, '12, 7:51 am
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Lets be honest here, we all want eternal life.
Do we? If we were given the option of a pointless worldly life, followed by complete oblivion (complete non-existence), I'm not sure that wouldn't be a popular choice. The growing popularity of atheism suggests that it might.
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Old May 4, '12, 8:12 am
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Lets be honest here, we all want eternal life.
I'm also not sure about this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to lie and say it doesn't sound wonderful. But for me the focus is not at all on life after death. It's on the here and now. I see all the good around me and want to be a part of it. It all comes from God, Goodness itself, and is good only in so far as it participates in His Goodness. I see the good in and am drawn to it and want to be a part of it here and now, not in some distant afterlife.
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Old May 4, '12, 8:26 am
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maybe it was compassion for the dead?
Not to mention the odor that comes when the body begins to decompose...

All kidding aside, I do not doubt that they sensed something more.. I believe we all, all generations, do/did.

We all come from the same Creator. We are connected that way. His love, and knowing Him, is etched on our souls. That's why we seek "something".

Fr. Robert Barron touches on it.... (and of course I'm paraphrasing and going from memory) but...you know that feeling you get when you first fall in love? That achy, sort of sad, bittersweey feeling that moves you deeply? We ache because our soul knows that there is a love even greater than this. God's love.
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Old May 4, '12, 8:27 am
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I'm also not sure about this. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to lie and say it doesn't sound wonderful. But for me the focus is not at all on life after death. It's on the here and now. I see all the good around me and want to be a part of it. It all comes from God, Goodness itself, and is good only in so far as it participates in His Goodness. I see the good in and am drawn to it and want to be a part of it here and now, not in some distant afterlife.
But don't you want both?

I get what you're saying and I agree. I do the same thing. But I also long and hope for what is to come.
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Old May 4, '12, 8:40 am
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But don't you want both?

I get what you're saying and I agree. I do the same thing. But I also long and hope for what is to come.
Sure, like I said, I'm not trying to imply that it isn't a wonderful thing. It's just not at all what I focus on. It's not the driving force behind my belief.
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Old May 4, '12, 9:43 am
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Sure, like I said, I'm not trying to imply that it isn't a wonderful thing. It's just not at all what I focus on. It's not the driving force behind my belief.
Gotcha. Thanks.
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I believe people are seeking truth, namely, what purpose do they have on earth if any.

They want to know if their life has any value to it, and where they fit. What to make of it all. What does this all mean, everything around me? They have an image problem with themselves and are looking for truth that makes sense of it all.

Now why they choose a particular brand of belief is another complicated question depending on many variables. But they seek satisfaction in some way.

Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.

Of course being human, error in judgment is common.

When it comes to religion, the same process repeats itself.

Truth or convenience?

Just an idea.
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Old May 6, '12, 5:43 am
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I believe people are seeking truth, namely, what purpose do they have on earth if any.

They want to know if their life has any value to it, and where they fit. What to make of it all. What does this all mean, everything around me? They have an image problem with themselves and are looking for truth that makes sense of it all.

Now why they choose a particular brand of belief is another complicated question depending on many variables. But they seek satisfaction in some way.

Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.

Of course being human, error in judgment is common.

When it comes to religion, the same process repeats itself.

Truth or convenience?

Just an idea.
Imo, this is very well stated. Yet there may be judjement even between
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A one man said, "The search for reality is the most dangerous undertaking. It will destroy your world." That is literally and figuratively true, as the idea of "purity" hinges even on whether the seeking is purely by reason and expecting an objective answer, or whether the mind is exhausted and one can percieve beyond reason and experienc being. Mental gymnastics of judgement and reason are useful only to the point of that exhastion, and then the reasoning is based on an entirely different premise.
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cause we don't live by bread alone?
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cause we don't live by bread alone?
Because we are fallible!
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