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View Poll Results: Do you believe in luck?
YES, there is luck. 16 37.21%
NO, there is no such thing. 27 62.79%
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Old May 7, '12, 10:16 am
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The belief that God intended thousands of innocent people to be drowned is incompatible with Christ's teaching that God is a loving Father.
Genesis chapter 7 For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing[c] that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.

He's going to blot out every living thing he's created - that shows intent to me! If you're going to emphasise the ''innocent'' bit, no way could anyone seriously argue that new born babies, the babies in the mothers wombs, and very young children are not innocent.

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http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=672332
I have a woman friend who despaired of finding a suitable man. I persuaded her to persevere. She is now recently and happily married - at the age of 70!

BTW She hasn't been searching for 50 years! She is a widow.
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Genesis chapter 7 For in seven days I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living thing[c] that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.

He's going to blot out every living thing he's created - that shows intent to me! If you're going to emphasise the ''innocent'' bit, no way could anyone seriously argue that new born babies, the babies in the mothers wombs, and very young children are not innocent.

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Old May 7, '12, 10:27 am
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Agreed, there is no point discussing this with you anymore, because you have not brought one teaching of the Church or passage of scripture to back up any of your claims.
If you don't like my answers (which are all directly from holy scripture) then take it up with the Holy Spirit, who inspired the writers.

It was interesting attempting dialogue with you.

Peace
There is no doctrine of the Catholic Church which states that God kills innocent men, women and children.

Let's leave it there.

God bless
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Old May 7, '12, 10:28 am
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Yes...I certainly do...and I also believe in devine intervention to give you that "Luck".
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Old May 7, '12, 10:34 am
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Fundamentalism!
I don't know.

That's just what it says.

I guess if you decide all the bad bits are inaccurate, (the Bible being inspired but not inerrant) metaphorical, allegorical, or symbolic, and the good bits are literal, then you don't have to bother trying to justify some difficult behavior, and can easily believe both Gods described in the OT and the NT are the one loving God.

I know, it's the Church that decides

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I don't know.

That's just what it says.

I guess if you decide all the bad bits are inaccurate, (the Bible being inspired but not inerrant) metaphorical, allegorical, or symbolic, and the good bits are literal, then you don't have to bother trying to justify some difficult behavior, and can easily believe both Gods described in the OT and the NT are the one loving God.

I know, it's the Church that decides

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It's not the Church but the example and teaching of Jesus that decides!
He said repeatedly "But I say to you..."
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Yes...I certainly do...and I also believe in devine intervention to give you that "Luck".
There are certainly intended coincidences!
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How could anyone believe in Luck!? RG3 is obviously the better qb.

(that being said it is really cool that a guy named luck is going to be playing for a team that has a horseshoe as its logo)
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It's not the Church but the example and teaching of Jesus that decides!
He said repeatedly "But I say to you..."
Where did Jesus say the Flood wasn't literal? Or the plagues? Or the horrific battles described?

Who decided the Flood was not a literal event?

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Matthew 24:37-39

For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.


Luke 17:26, 27
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.


Jesus certainly believed in an actual flood, not a metaphor
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What does the flood have to do with luck?
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And when something evil happens to you?
Then either you are cursed by God or by the devil.
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Not everything in the Old Testament should be taken literally. God does not inflict death and suffering on anyone deliberately.

False.

In the book of Job God told Satan to inflict suffering on him.

God is the one who requires us to carry our cross. REQUIRES. No choice.
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Do you interpret every verse of the Old Testament literally?
To be fair, he didn't interpret it. He just bolded what supported his assertion word for word.
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