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Old May 10, '12, 11:08 pm
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Default Re: Aleph Not, Aleph Shaday.

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Originally Posted by Huiou Theou View Post
I have been having a mathematical (and therefore philosophical) conversation on a physics website about the idea of "infinities" beyond "infinities", or Aleph One, Two, and so forth.
Of course, if I mention God There -- my thread will be locked; and now I find myself being threatened with having a thread locked by someone who may have a serious conflict of interest when I am speaking about something purely mathematical but which was first given to me in High School in a movie which made comments about the pope, God, and how this aleph thing is tied up in a proof or another. I sometimes wonder if it is the Stalinist concept of God.... or whatever.

This is one of those conversations I would normally have with my brother, John, for he is formally trained in those subjects.

But, I wonder sometimes if it is a sign from God that they chose the first letter of the Hebrew Alphabet for this particular subject. I forget the German's name who attempted to name the first infinity "Aleph Not (0)" אֵ ; For that letter happens to be the "alpha" of "THE" alpha and the Omega; in Hebrew it just means "The";

I recall thinking El-Shadday was "God almighty" -- but it is really just "THE almighty" in literal translation.

Spock of Star Trek does a live long and prosper hand gesture which is HALF the letter "Shin" for "Shadai" -- as in, "Almighty" in the blessings of Jewish Rabbis.
So, here I am having a conversation with something of a bully on a physics website about whether or not I can count all the real numbers. I think I can, I have been more than kind in listing out where an issue might be -- and I find myself threatened to prematurely reveal the answer; when if the man was more patient I might even have given him a better answer; By now, those on this website know I don't joke, and I don't try to be cruel. But I really wonder, should I give this fellow a partial answer this early or not?

His exact words to me were: (one sentence, no copyright infringement possible -- Google *does* know about it already....)
"Please give the algorithm in the next post or this thread will be locked. Don't play games with us. micromass."

St. Thomas, did, indeed argue about the existence of God and infinities. Could this be a sign I should demolish something like Aleph not? (No god, poly god, what god?)

But, aleph not -- I think -- really will be replaced by Aleph shadai; it's just a matter of when. Perhaps leaving God out of it for the moment, (though I am no atheist....) is the appropriate approach, but what do you think, should I give this simple method to him right NOW to count every possible decimal number, or should I refine it first?
Is it appropriate to be bullied by someone and give the lesser of an answer when a better one might be yet found? (I am looking for friendship -- and he is acting like a bully.)

Here is how I would count all the possible reals using counting numbers:
(Next post, so the proof will be here -- uneditable except by CAF -- first.
Google is sure to find it though.... )
You're referring to Georg Cantor, who used his formulation of set theory to give a rational basis for infinity. See Rudy Rucker, "Infinity and the Mind" and also Adam Drozdek's article, "Beyond Infinity: Augustine and Cantor" and my blog,
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