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Old May 10, '12, 7:19 am
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Then are all physicists damned?
No, but cats are.
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Ouch. Et tu, Brute?
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Ouch. Et tu, Brute?
Which brings us full circle. Since it is after the council I think you need to say "and you Brutis" Or are you willing to be in schizm over shakespear?
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Which brings us full circle. Since it is after the council I think you need to say "and you Brutis" Or are you willing to be in schizm over shakespear?
I dare you both to try to say it in Greek.

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Which brings us full circle. Since it is after the council I think you need to say "and you Brutis" Or are you willing to be in schizm over shakespear?
With the new ICEL recommendations, I believe "And with your spirit" would be best. (although I personally think the new translation should have been "And with your ghost")
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With the new ICEL recommendations, I believe "And with your spirit" would be best. (although I personally think the new translation should have been "And with your ghost")
"And with your ghost?" No way. Common'. You're kidding, right? That's from the German, geist. Spirit is directly from the Latin and it's what the other language groups use.

That would sound too strange. Can you imagine younger children saying "And with your ghost" after they have been taught that there are no such things as ghosts.

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"And with your ghost?" No way. Common'. You're kidding, right? That's from the German, geist. Spirit is directly from the Latin and it's what the other language groups use.

That would sound too strange. Can you imagine younger children saying "And with your ghost" after they have been taught that there are no such things as ghosts.

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Which brings us full circle. Since it is after the council I think you need to say "and you Brutis" Or are you willing to be in schizm over shakespear?
Hmmm. Maybe I'm risking ferendae sententiae excommunication here, but shouldn't that be "And THOU, Brutus"? (Lost in translation in the Chinese. )

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With the new ICEL recommendations, I believe "And with your spirit" would be best. (although I personally think the new translation should have been "And with your ghost")
Definitely grounds for ferendae sententiae excommunication.

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I dare you both to try to say it in Greek.
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Και εσείς, Βρούτος in the Greek.

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Hmmm. Maybe I'm risking ferendae sententiae excommunication here, but shouldn't that be "And THOU, Brutus"? (Lost in translation in the Chinese. )



Definitely grounds for ferendae sententiae excommunication.



Audeo.

Και εσείς, Βρούτος in the Greek.
You win the prize. I was burning up grey matter trying to remember "brute" in Greek and all I came up with was "Spartan." LOL

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You win the prize. I was burning up grey matter trying to remember "brute" in Greek and all I came up with was "Spartan." LOL

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You mean the Google translator was right?
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As in the fable, The Emperor's Clothing, just because everyone says it is doesn't make it so.
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What historically happens to those groups that break away from Rome is that they lose their moral compass. The Eastern Orthodox Churches allow divorce and re-marriage.
I don't want to derail this thread, but I constantly see this idea that the East started allowing for divorce and re-marriage after the East-West schism thrown around as if it were a fact, but it is simply untrue. If one will examine chapter nine of St. Basil's epistle 188, to Amphilochius, concerning the canons (also known as his First Canonical Epistle) Basil writes about when it is possible for a man to leave his wife and live with another woman without the new relationship being adulterous. The allowance for divorce and remarriage in the East then, can be no younger than 1633 years old (St. Basil reposed in the year 379), and considering that Basil references what is allowed by custom as opposed to what should be allowable in theory, the practice must be even older still.

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Christians are called to be saints. It's that simple. Divorcing your wife isn't saintly i.e. it's not something Heaven rejoices over.

A very high standard has been set, by Christ Himself and by what He did. We owe Him. That we are fallible shouldn't be used an excuse to not try to meet those high standards.

I like to think of it this way: earthly pleasures tend to cause other problems and they fade. Might as well try for sainthood!
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My comments on the above: The pope may be the highest interpreter of Canon Law, but he is not the arbiter of abjective facts. It is no disrespect to the Pope or the Papacy to admit that. If I personally find myself in a State of Emergency, and the Pope tells me I am not, the pope might be wrong. He might not have the full facts at his disposal.

The lifting of the Decree of Excommunication is, on the argument of the SSPX and those taking this opinion (and there are many of the highest standing, not formally affiliated to the SSPX) who maintain that the lifting of the decree was 'without prejudice' to whether it was invalid in the first place. I can see that, in a general way, this could be the case. The imposition of Excommunication is a disciplinary measure over and above the original offence. It could be lifted for a number of reasons, including 'a quiet gestiure of reconciliation '(which led to a huge uproa' - Pope Benedict's phrase)' as Pope Benedict put it in the case of the SSPX. But in the general case, the pope, according to Vatican I, is infallible only when pronouncing definitively on a question of Faith and/or Morals. He can be mistaken on questions of fact. ..Ttherefore there is a theoretical possibility that a decree of excommunication can be issued incorrectly. The historical record, accepted by the Fathers of Vatican I, is that S. Athanasius was excommuunicated with the endorsment of Pope Liberius. Athanasius did not argue, he simply continued with his work. If such a decree were subsequently lifted, it would not prove ipso facto that the original excommunication was valid.
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Audeo.

Και εσείς, Βρούτος in the Greek.
My info is that Caesar's actual words were 'kai su, huios?' (no fancy Greek font available, I'm afraid) ... 'You too, son?'
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