Vatican demands reform of American nuns' leadership group [CWN]

[KSU]

Originally Posted by Cyndita

Aha. I remember Tony Orland and Dawn from the 70s. I'm not quite sure why you're comparing me to Candida, but I'm sleepy right now, and going to bed; tomorrow, I'll have the time to analyze what you've inferred.. Mr. KSU, let us agree to disagree, and let us try to progress in our conversations. I am interested in what you say - regardless of my (sometimes snotty) attitude. .I, like you, love our church and the miracle of the Eucharist.

I hope you're ok, and not crying,

Please don't waste your time trying any Freudian psychoanalysis, or trying to find any inferences--"Cyndita" simply reminded me of the song title "Candida". That's the only reason why I misspelled your name. A rose is a rose by any other name.

[jwinch2]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...17,print.story

snippet.

The national group of Roman Catholic nuns led by a Western Pennsylvania woman will meet at month's end to discuss a Vatican rebuke of the organization.

Last month, the Vatican, which oversees the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, slapped the group with sanctions for promoting "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith."

The Leadership Conference's national board will meet in Washington May 29 through June 1, "beginning to look at what the next steps will be in response to this (Vatican) report," according to Sister Annmarie Sanders, the group's associate director for communications.

Sister Janet Mock, a Johnstown native affiliated with the Sisters of St. Joseph in Baden, was named executive director of the Leadership Conference in early April. Sanders said Mock is not available for interviews.

The conference represents 80 percent of the nation's 57,000 nuns.

The Vatican announced last month a full-scale overhaul of the group, accusing it of taking positions that undermine Roman Catholic teachings on the priesthood and homosexuality. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said in its report that the Leadership Conference has been "silent on the right to life from conception to natural death, a question that is part of the lively public debate about abortion and euthanasia in the United States."

An American archbishop, Peter Sartain of Seattle, was appointed to oversee the reform. Efforts to reach him for comment last night were unavailing. Nor could anyone be reached at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington.

Obviously this the popular media so there are some inaccuracies, namely the "80%" claim discussed much earlier in the thread.

[LittleSoldier]

Originally Posted by jwinch2

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...17,print.story

snippet.


Obviously this the popular media so there are some inaccuracies, namely the "80%" claim discussed much earlier in the thread.

Not to mention the rather subjective and pejorative word "slapped."

[Cyndita]

Originally Posted by KSU

Please don't waste your time trying any Freudian psychoanalysis, or trying to find any inferences--"Cyndita" simply reminded me of the song title "Candida". That's the only reason why I misspelled your name. A rose is a rose by any other name.

[LittleSoldier]

Originally Posted by Cyndita

I know.

[jwinch2]

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exc...aigner-melinda

A good example of the need for the reform of women's religious in America.

[Tigg]

Originally Posted by jwinch2

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exc...aigner-melinda

A good example of the need for the reform of women's religious in America.

This touches on a very sore spot and the reason why I stated earlier that the needed reform should go way beyond women religious. I am in no way defending them, but their camp is much larger than some suspect.

http://slatts.blogspot.com/2010/01/c...ces-forms.html

[KSU]

Originally Posted by Tigg

This touches on a very sore spot and the reason why I stated earlier that the needed reform should go way beyond women religious. I am in no way defending them, but their camp is much larger than some suspect.

http://slatts.blogspot.com/2010/01/c...ces-forms.html

You're absolutely correct,Tigg, and I think that's why the Holy Father is claimed by many to have long ago indicated that the answer may have to be a smaller, purer Church.

Wether he meant it or not, and, if he did, what the Holy Father may have meant exactly, we can't yet know. But there are some in the LCWR/NETWORK/CTA camp who fear that a Catholic campaign for a smaller but purer Church may have begun with the CDF's doctrinal assessment concerning the LCWR. Whatever the case may be, there is absolutely no doubt that that the homosexual and Socialist lobbies, in and out of the Church, are enraged to the point of being unable to deal with the situation rationally or civilly.

So the beat goes on: the Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development continues its own campaign against the Republican's proposed budget cuts because the cuts are " immoral"; our Catholic Vice President comes out publicly for homosexual "marriage"; and our stellar Catholic Congressperson Pelosi speaks "glowingly of the comments President Barack Obama made Wednesday when he said he supported same-sex marriage":
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelo...e-sex-marriage

[jilly4ski]

Originally Posted by KSU

You're absolutely correct,Tigg, and I think that's why the Holy Father is claimed by many to have long ago indicated that the answer may have to be a smaller, purer Church.

Wether he meant it or not, and, if he did, what the Holy Father may have meant exactly, we can't yet know. But there are some in the LCWR/NETWORK/CTA camp who fear that a Catholic campaign for a smaller but purer Church may have begun with the CDF's doctrinal assessment concerning the LCWR. Whatever the case may be, there is absolutely no doubt that that the homosexual and Socialist lobbies, in and out of the Church, are enraged to the point of being unable to deal with the situation rationally or civilly.

So the beat goes on: the Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development continues its own campaign against the Republican's proposed budget cuts because the cuts are " immoral"; our Catholic Vice President comes out publicly for homosexual "marriage"; and our stellar Catholic Congressperson Pelosi speaks "glowingly of the comments President Barack Obama made Wednesday when he said he supported same-sex marriage":
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pelo...e-sex-marriage

Except that the seminaries in the US (and one male religious order) had a visitation and "crackdown" before the women's religious and the LCWR had theirs. So it has started long before this incident, which is another reason I can't believe the LCWR was surprised or shocked by this.

[opus101]

I'm starting to view the attempt at reforming the LCWR as a type of "rescue mission". There is no way (aside from a HUGE miracle) that the entire group of leaders will convert back to real Catholicism. However, SOME might repent and change ways, and the example of all of this will effect individual religious sisters in various communities. SOME of them will renew their loyalty to Christ and His Church (and I'm aware that some have never left it to begin with).

This is the same with the opposite end of the spectrum: the SSPX issue. SOME will accept the terms, some won't.

They are both rescue missions. Let's pray for our Bishops, our spiritual SWAT team.

[KSU]

Originally Posted by opus101

I'm starting to view the attempt at reforming the LCWR as a type of "rescue mission". There is no way (aside from a HUGE miracle) that the entire group of leaders will convert back to real Catholicism. However, SOME might repent and change ways, and the example of all of this will effect individual religious sisters in various communities. SOME of them will renew their loyalty to Christ and His Church (and I'm aware that some have never left it to begin with).

This is the same with the opposite end of the spectrum: the SSPX issue. SOME will accept the terms, some won't.

They are both rescue missions. Let's pray for our Bishops, our spiritual SWAT team.

There is no doubt that it's a rescue mission, and a spiritual SWAT team is a very good analogy. I believe however that the PRIMARY objective is to rescue the Church in America--its maligned bishops, its teachings and its faithful, some of whom are sorely confused and even being led into grievous sin and error. We can hope that a high priority also will be assigned to rescuing the long suffering nuns and Sisters in the underlying orders.

But, as in any last resort SWAT team action, sometimes the bad guys get hurt. "They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people."

[ellie85]

There was a great program on RCTV about this Last month...I am posting the link for anyone who want's to watch this...entitled "Poor Little Nun's"

http://www.realcatholictv.com/premiu...4-30&ssnID=196

[KSU]

We need a better link to the specific program.

[opus101]

Thanks for the link, ellie. IMO, Michael Voris is a bit "out there". Even though I agree with his basic ideas, he always comes off as a bit nasty. Although there is such a thing as righteous anger, his sneering tone won't assist in its cause.

Some of these sisters have gone astray and, woefully, took many people along with them. They are in a grave situation that needs correction, and to many of us , it seems like it took way too long. The longer things take, the more souls it affects.

[KSU]

Originally Posted by opus101

Thanks for the link, ellie. IMO, Michael Voris is a bit "out there". Even though I agree with his basic ideas, he always comes off as a bit nasty. Although there is such a thing as righteous anger, his sneering tone won't assist in its cause.

It's amazing how different authentic Catholics can be, but still stay unified where it counts. I find Voris to be refreshingly honest and truthful. If we had many more like him to publicize the truth, groups such as the LCWR, Call to Action, Catholics for a Free Choice, etc. would be afraid to come out of the shadows in search of souls to corrupt.