GOP: Gay marriage an issue, but not like economy

[rlg94086]

Originally Posted by exnihilo

Because I consider politics and politicians fundamentally dishonest. The goal is to obtain power. In America this means to get elected. The kind of person who does well in politics is typically the kind who can say what he needs to in order to win. This is especially true the more power at stake. Specifically regarding the GOP their lack of doing anything substantial regarding any of their conservative positions, abortion, funding of Planned Parenthood, Department of Education etc. indicates this.

The topic at question is "gay marriage." I don't believe you can say or support the idea that the GOP hasn't done anything substantial regarding "gay marriage." Look at the successful efforts in the several states who have passed traditional marriage legislation. Also, consider the Defense of Marriage Act, sponsored and passed by the GOP.

[rlg94086]

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

If it is a matter of smaller government intrusion into rights Republican might agree with Obama that gay rights belong at the state level of determination.

Some Republicans do, and others are interested in working towards a Constitutional Amendment. Clearly, the GOP sponsored and past DOMA was meant to be enforced at the federal level. Obama isn't enforcing it, of course.

[exnihilo]

Originally Posted by rlg94086

The topic at question is "gay marriage." I don't believe you can say or support the idea that the GOP hasn't done anything substantial regarding "gay marriage." Look at the successful efforts in the several states who have passed traditional marriage legislation. Also, consider the Defense of Marriage Act, sponsored and passed by the GOP.

I agree that the GOP on the state level is a good bit better. The Defense of Marriage Act was a GOP initiative but it also had broad support. A majority of Democrats voted for it and it was signed by Clinton. Those were different times to be sure. The GOP helped enact something that people largely agreed with. I haven't seen any such attempt with less popular issues. These days 'gay marriage' is much more popular.

[Cider]

Obama didn't flip flop though, he told a falsehood that even his supporters claimed he only did to get elected. They knew he was lying back in 2008. I had many of them tell me so.

[JonNC]

Originally Posted by Cider

Obama didn't flip flop though, he told a falsehood that even his supporters claimed he only did to get elected. They knew he was lying back in 2008. I had many of them tell me so.

And he probably wouldn't have come out on the issuebefore this election had the Vice President not said it first.

Jon

[Pork Roll]

Santorum was the family values candidate and was why I supported him. Romney is the big buisness candidate and is why I will not support him. He does support gay couples adopting children which is objectively an evil thing to do.

Besides, he's smart enough that he should have realized a long time ago that Mormonism is based on the fabrications of an evil cult leader.

[Jerry Miah]

It's a funny article. Of course the GOP doesn't want to talk gay marriage, because the tide is turning in favor of gay marriage. About the economy, Romney doesn't have much to say except the recovery is a bit too slow (which is not exactly an issue to make voters jump out of their chairs) and it brings up that Romney is basically saying Obama hasn't cleaned up the mess from the last Republican president fast enough. They are desperate for any issue, of course, since they don't seem to have any plan or vision at all, no proposals except to go back to the policies that were so disastrous the last time they were in the White House. More tax breaks for the rich, more saber-rattling, more deregulation of the financial industry (even though the JP Morgan bank's disaster this week shows there's not enough regulation), more slashing of vital services, etc. They don't seem to have anything new to offer, and their old ideas were a train wreck, so they have to make noises about whatever comes up.

Can anyone tell me what Romney stands for? What is the latest etch-a-sketch picture?

[EmperorNapoleon]

Originally Posted by Jerry Miah

Can anyone tell me what Romney stands for?

The depends. Are we talking about Governor Romney or Presidential candidate Romney with etch-a-sketch accessories? I need to call Mattel.

[JonNC]

=Jerry Miah;9291455]It's a funny article. Of course the GOP doesn't want to talk gay marriage, because the tide is turning in favor of gay marriage.

I am in favor of gay marriage. I think people ought to be able to find a church that will perform the ceremony. The government, on the other hand, has no business being involved in marriage at all, if we define the first amendment as separation of church and state.

About the economy, Romney doesn't have much to say except the recovery is a bit too slow (which is not exactly an issue to make voters jump out of their chairs) and it brings up that Romney is basically saying Obama hasn't cleaned up the mess from the last Republican president fast enough.

Still Bush's fault. Actually, its still Carter's fault.

They are desperate for any issue, of course, since they don't seem to have any plan or vision at all, no proposals except to go back to the policies that were so disastrous the last time they were in the White House.

No proposals? The House passed a budget. The senate has thumbed its nose at the Constitution for three years by not passing one, even the Presidents.

More tax breaks for the rich,

Tax breaks for the rich. Please. The rich in this country pick up most of the tab, this from a teacher that earns south of $50 G.

more saber-rattling, more deregulation of the financial industry (even though the JP Morgan bank's disaster this week shows there's not enough regulation), more slashing of vital services, etc. They don't seem to have anything new to offer, and their old ideas were a train wreck, so they have to make noises about whatever comes up.

Definition of train wreck: $16 Trillion in debt.

Can anyone tell me what Romney stands for? What is the latest etch-a-sketch picture?

Yeah, its scary, but not nearly as scary as what we know Obama stands for.

Jon

[_Abyssinia]

Originally Posted by Jerry Miah

It's a funny article. Of course the GOP doesn't want to talk gay marriage, because the tide is turning in favor of gay marriage. About the economy, Romney doesn't have much to say except the recovery is a bit too slow (which is not exactly an issue to make voters jump out of their chairs) and it brings up that Romney is basically saying Obama hasn't cleaned up the mess from the last Republican president fast enough. They are desperate for any issue, of course, since they don't seem to have any plan or vision at all, no proposals except to go back to the policies that were so disastrous the last time they were in the White House. More tax breaks for the rich, more saber-rattling, more deregulation of the financial industry (even though the JP Morgan bank's disaster this week shows there's not enough regulation), more slashing of vital services, etc. They don't seem to have anything new to offer, and their old ideas were a train wreck, so they have to make noises about whatever comes up.

Can anyone tell me what Romney stands for? What is the latest etch-a-sketch picture?

The tide sure is turning, that is why every state that has had gay 'marriage' on the ballot has rejected to legalize it - 32 states.

Barack Obama called George Bush unpatriotic for adding $4 trillion to the national debt in 8 years, Obama has added $5 trillion to the national debt in 3 years - so what does Obama think of himself?

Obama can not run on his record, he can not run on saying he has helped create an environment in which jobs can be created. He is running a campaign of distraction and diversion to get away from his economic record with the buffet rule, which will not make a dent in the debt and there are ways in which millionaires will be escape the buffet rule. Republicans support tax reform in comparison.

What does Barack Obama stand for? Not a net job created in his presidency. Debt increased faster under Obama than any other president. Stifling regulations on businesses. His signature achievement 'ObamaCare' is unpopular and even Democrats have criticized it.

[Pork Roll]

Can anyone tell me what Romney stands for? What is the latest etch-a-sketch picture?

MONEY

He just throws a few bones to the social conservatives without seeming too "right-wing". He's clearly an oportunist who has made his fortunes and now has set his eyes on bigger things.

[Jerry Miah]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

The tide sure is turning, that is why every state that has had gay 'marriage' on the ballot has rejected to legalize it - 32 states.

Barack Obama called George Bush unpatriotic for adding $4 trillion to the national debt in 8 years, Obama has added $5 trillion to the national debt in 3 years - so what does Obama think of himself?

Obama can not run on his record, he can not run on saying he has helped create an environment in which jobs can be created. He is running a campaign of distraction and diversion to get away from his economic record with the buffet rule, which will not make a dent in the debt and there are ways in which millionaires will be escape the buffet rule. Republicans support tax reform in comparison.

What does Barack Obama stand for? Not a net job created in his presidency. Debt increased faster under Obama than any other president. Stifling regulations on businesses. His signature achievement 'ObamaCare' is unpopular and even Democrats have criticized it.

About the tide turning, all polls show that opinion has changed drastically and quickly in the USA. Just a few years ago, most Americans opposed gay marriage. In latest polls, most support Obama's position:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...age/54905424/1

I find it interesting that in answer to a question about what Romney stands for, you mostly just attack the president. You do mention "Republicans support tax reform in comparison", which confirmed by point.

[Michael Mayo]

Is it the term "Marraige" that is a problem or the rights that are also given through "Same Sex Civil Union". I don't have much problem with legal civil union. It is a civil contract similar to marraige but not the same.

[JonNC]

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Is it the term "Marraige" that is a problem or the rights that are also given through "Same Sex Civil Union". I don't have much problem with legal civil union. It is a civil contract similar to marraige but not the same.

If the government is going to provide benefits, tax breaks, etc. based on, essentially, cohabitation, then there ought to be a way for any couple to access those benefits. For example, a brother and sister in their late fifties, both spouses have died, decide to live in the same house. They should be able to access tax benefits, etc. We seem to think of "civil union" as having a sexual overtone, but that's not necessarily the case.

It is not, however, marriage. God instituted marriage, not government.

Jon

[rlg94086]

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Is it the term "Marraige" that is a problem or the rights that are also given through "Same Sex Civil Union". I don't have much problem with legal civil union. It is a civil contract similar to marraige but not the same.

The Church teaches otherwise.