Tax cuts for the wealthy

[JaKael02]

This is why the Pope needs to be the appointer of Kings....like the good ole days.

This democracy experiment is just simply turning into a dictatorship of the majority (and relativism)

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by JaKael02

This is why the Pope needs to be the appointer of Kings....like the good ole days.

This democracy experiment is just simply turning into a dictatorship of the majority (and relativism)

No. Rather a tyranny of the minority.
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“Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. None of them have ever been held accountable.

[Cider]

Originally Posted by acarlson

From the perspective of the United States, we shouldn't raise taxes on the rich. BUT. We should eliminate all the loopholes that allow the less-scrupulous wealthy to get around paying their fair share of taxes (including renouncing citizenship and ridiculous things like that). If we got rid of those issues, we wouldn't have to raise taxes. But, frankly, given the current economic downturn worldwide, it's clear that a lack of regulation lets capitalism go awry in favor of the greedy.

If it's legal, it's not a loophole. And how do you propose to close these things you call loopholes? Make it so once an American always an American? No one can ever give up their citizenship? And do you really think that the so called tax losses from the small number of people that chose to give up their citizenship is going to dent the 15 trillion dollars we are in debt or the 10 million dollars the US Gov spends every day? No it isn't.

[KSU]

Originally Posted by someperson555

are you kidding me? the wealthy should be JAILED, not given more money. they have exploited the workers and polluted the environment. at the very least they should have their businesses confiscated.

No, someperson555, I am not kidding you. BTW, you picked the perfect name because that's what happened to people in the old USSR, Cuba, etc. who permitted Catholicism to be ostracized by embracing your philosophy, i.e., they became merely some people with numbers; no longer free to practice what God wrote on their hearts, or to own property, to choose what their children would learn, to speak freely, etc.. Their purpose was to serve the State rather than vice versa.

And if you think you have seen real pollution of the environment in America, you could not be more wrong:
"In their ruthless drive to exploit their nation, Soviet leaders gave little thought to the health of their people or the lands that they ruled. No country is free from the scourge of pollution, but the Soviet example is one of horrifying extremes, one that stems from decades of neglect and the abuse of a vast and once beautiful land."
http://www.gerdludwig.com/stories/so...08&id=album-37

As for "exploited" workers, I think even you don't believe that American workers are exploited in the true meaning of that word. In fact, my friend, they are not exploited at all compared to the horrors that predictably develop in a workers' paradise where businesses are confiscated and the wealthy are re-educated. Nevertheless, you enjoy railing against the American form of Capitalism, which is relatively free-market economics combined with Christian morality. Here, we insist on the morality part of the equation in order to prevent exploitation of workers--except from their unions which one of our political parties empower to imorally take workers' money for purposes detested by many of the workers: campaign donations for you know which party, and lobbying and actual legislation supporting causes such as homosexuality, abortion, "free" contraception, etc.

Hopefully, you merely are going through a rebellious stage of youth because of what passed for teaching the last 40-some years. Trust me; the longer you keep it up the harder you will be on yourself when the light bulb finally comes on and you see the mental scars you inflicted on yourself during the Socialism v. Moral Capitalism wars.

[someperson555]

Originally Posted by KSU

No, someperson555, I am not kidding you. BTW, you picked the perfect name because that's what happened to people in the old USSR, Cuba, etc. who permitted Catholicism to be ostracized by embracing your philosophy, i.e., they became merely some people with numbers; no longer free to practice what God wrote on their hearts, or to own property, to choose what their children would learn, to speak freely, etc.. Their purpose was to serve the State rather than vice versa.

And if you think you have seen real pollution of the environment in America, you could not be more wrong:
"In their ruthless drive to exploit their nation, Soviet leaders gave little thought to the health of their people or the lands that they ruled. No country is free from the scourge of pollution, but the Soviet example is one of horrifying extremes, one that stems from decades of neglect and the abuse of a vast and once beautiful land."
http://www.gerdludwig.com/stories/so...08&id=album-37

As for "exploited" workers, I think even you don't believe that American workers are exploited in the true meaning of that word. In fact, my friend, they are not exploited at all compared to the horrors that predictably develop in a workers' paradise where businesses are confiscated and the wealthy are re-educated. Nevertheless, you enjoy railing against the American form of Capitalism, which is relatively free-market economics combined with Christian morality. Here, we insist on the morality part of the equation in order to prevent exploitation of workers--except from their unions which one of our political parties empower to imorally take workers' money for purposes detested by many of the workers: campaign donations for you know which party, and lobbying and actual legislation supporting causes such as homosexuality, abortion, "free" contraception, etc.

Hopefully, you merely are going through a rebellious stage of youth because of what passed for teaching the last 40-some years. Trust me; the longer you keep it up the harder you will be on yourself when the light bulb finally comes on and you see the mental scars you inflicted on yourself during the Socialism v. Moral Capitalism wars.

wow, where do i begin. such fail.
first of all where did i even imply that i was a communist or supported the soviet regime? in case you are not aware, the bolsheviks were heavily funded by your precious capitalists. capitalism and communism are the same thing in essence. you are the typical brainwashed type who is neuro-linguistically programmed to react to certain trigger phrases.
and just an FYI you cant speak freely here in the US either. "freedom of speech" never existed.

the workers are indeed exploited. walmart pays it's workers 7 dollars an hour no benefits, no overtime while the CEO rakes in an estimated 17 billion dollars. loyal american workers are left jobless because their greedy boss decides to ship their jobs off to china in order to gain more profit. insurance companies charge enormous amounts for premiums and then deny the client when he gets sick.
capitalism is irreconcilable with christian morality. it is a system based on greed, and self interest. Christ taught us to be charitable and to give to the poor. to help your neighbor. under capitalism there is zero compassion, its alll ruthless competition.
the system doesnt work, therefore it needs to be replaced. it is incredibly unethical to be able to own a natural resource! these rightfully belong to the people therefore privatizing natural resources is intrinsically evil.
its you who is brainwashed, not me. you have a slave mentality. you work 9-5 just to survive. instead of perfecting the arts and sciences humans are spending their entire existence just working to survive. thats the problem with society , people are so estranged from nature and their lives that they never realise their true purpose in life. materialism is truly disgusting.
whats worse is that theres people like you who champion their own slavery.

[TheRealJuliane]

Originally Posted by someperson555

wow, where do i begin. such fail.
first of all where did i even imply that i was a communist or supported the soviet regime? in case you are not aware, the bolsheviks were heavily funded by your precious capitalists. capitalism and communism are the same thing in essence. you are the typical brainwashed type who is neuro-linguistically programmed to react to certain trigger phrases.
and just an FYI you cant speak freely here in the US either. "freedom of speech" never existed.

the workers are indeed exploited. walmart pays it's workers 7 dollars an hour no benefits, no overtime while the CEO rakes in an estimated 17 billion dollars. loyal american workers are left jobless because their greedy boss decides to ship their jobs off to china in order to gain more profit. insurance companies charge enormous amounts for premiums and then deny the client when he gets sick.
capitalism is irreconcilable with christian morality. it is a system based on greed, and self interest. Christ taught us to be charitable and to give to the poor. to help your neighbor. under capitalism there is zero compassion, its alll ruthless competition.
the system doesnt work, therefore it needs to be replaced. it is incredibly unethical to be able to own a natural resource! these rightfully belong to the people therefore privatizing natural resources is intrinsically evil.
its you who is brainwashed, not me. you have a slave mentality. you work 9-5 just to survive. instead of perfecting the arts and sciences humans are spending their entire existence just working to survive. thats the problem with society , people are so estranged from nature and their lives that they never realise their true purpose in life. materialism is truly disgusting.
whats worse is that theres people like you who champion their own slavery.

Says the person who lives in the freest country in the world...

[DeniseNY]

Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane

Says the person who lives in the freest country in the world...

Typing on a computer made by some evil, greedy, corporation that had the audacity to make a profit!

[pnewton]

Originally Posted by someperson555

are you kidding me? the wealthy should be JAILED, not given more money. they have exploited the workers and polluted the environment. at the very least they should have their businesses confiscated.

Confiscated by whom? The government? That is communism and is totally condemned by the Catholic Church. Your opinions are neither charitable nor compatible with Catholicism.

[TheRealJuliane]

Originally Posted by DeniseNY

Typing on a computer made by some evil, greedy, corporation that had the audacity to make a profit!

OH THE HORROR!!!!



Must be young and foolish. Very foolish. I'd pay to send him to Cuba for a year.

[KSU]

Originally Posted by someperson555

wow, where do i begin. such fail.
first of all where did i even imply that i was a communist or supported the soviet regime? in case you are not aware, the bolsheviks were heavily funded by your precious capitalists. capitalism and communism are the same thing in essence. you are the typical brainwashed type who is neuro-linguistically programmed to react to certain trigger phrases. and just an FYI you cant speak freely here in the US either. "freedom of speech" never existed. the workers are indeed exploited. walmart pays it's workers 7 dollars an hour no benefits, no overtime while the CEO rakes in an estimated 17 billion dollars. loyal american workers are left jobless because their greedy boss decides to ship their jobs off to china in order to gain more profit. insurance companies charge enormous amounts for premiums and then deny the client when he gets sick. capitalism is irreconcilable with christian morality. it is a system based on greed, and self interest. Christ taught us to be charitable and to give to the poor. to help your neighbor. under capitalism there is zero compassion, its alll ruthless competition. the system doesnt work, therefore it needs to be replaced. it is incredibly unethical to be able to own a natural resource! these rightfully belong to the people therefore privatizing natural resources is intrinsically evil. its you who is brainwashed, not me. you have a slave mentality. you work 9-5 just to survive. instead of perfecting the arts and sciences humans are spending their entire existence just working to survive. thats the problem with society , people are so estranged from nature and their lives that they never realise their true purpose in life. materialism is truly disgusting. whats worse is that theres people like you who champion their own slavery.

You're very persuasive, and say you're in college. Is it Berkeley or Georgetown?

You ask, "first of all where did i even imply that i was a communist...?" Gosh, that's a tough one. But seriously, I've read only a few of your posts-- enough to learn you clearly like some aspects of Fascism, Socialism and even Nazism. Re the latter, you posted that, "and in addition to that the state should encourage reproduction between only the healthiest of people, and it should continue like that for each successive generation thereby raising the quality of each generation of people." You also said you are NOT a traditional Catholic.

Nevertheless, my friend, please don't put words in my mouth; I never said you were a Communist.

Would you, however, care to put a name on what you consider yourself?

BTW, contrary to your incorrect statements about Walmart, a retail cashier's pay scale is $7.62-$11.31, and it DOES pay overtime ($1.48-$17.88), and it DOES provide nice benefits. http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...nc/Hourly_Rate

http://careers.walmart.com/company-benefits/

[pnewton]

Originally Posted by someperson555

wow in case you are not aware, the bolsheviks were heavily funded by your precious capitalists. capitalism and communism are the same thing in essence.

I will have to remember this one! It is right up their with animals are people.

capitalism is irreconcilable with christian morality. .

Unrestricted capitalism is inconsistent with Christian morality.

[AMDG1]

What do taxes and money have to do with Christianity? Aren't they of the secular world? Does God care? Isn't it really about the choices we make with the hand that has been dealt to us...how we act/react to things in the secular world that makes us Christian or not?

[sedonaman]

Originally Posted by acarlson

... We should eliminate all the loopholes that allow the less-scrupulous wealthy to get around paying their fair share of taxes ...

The rich are paying their fair share because, by definition, they are paying all the taxes.

If we got rid of those issues, we wouldn't have to raise taxes. ...

This is the most naive statement I've encountered in quite a while. Politicians spend all they collect and then some.

[nightranger]

Originally Posted by sedonaman

What do these mean? IOW, what is the process by which these "gifts" are bestowed?

Oh by you the taxpayer of course. Or perhaps we can just print more money.

Or the"evil" corporations could pay it. No wait, they'll all be in jail.

No, I've got it! All the "evil" corporate officers who are in jail can print the money from right there!

[TEPO]

Originally Posted by AMDG1

What do taxes and money have to do with Christianity? Aren't they of the secular world? Does God care? Isn't it really about the choices we make with the hand that has been dealt to us...how we act/react to things in the secular world that makes us Christian or not?

Very good point.

Jesus cured the sick and the handicapped... He fed the poor.
Today His Church has built thousands of Hospitals... His Church feeds the poor.

But I don't recall Jesus ever having advised the government on how to operate their economy, in fact He even turned down a position as ruler of all the kingdoms of the world.