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May 22, '12, 3:51 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Since you've lost the plot so thoroughly, let's be clear - none of this supports any contention that God is only a Creator, and not a Destroyer (which was the point to begin with). The flood came, drowned almost all the people, and their souls went....well, nowhere, it seems like, since there was no heaven or hell to go to. So, all those people either blinked out of existence, or their souls stayed in some limbo-like state for a few thousand years, until Hell had its grand opening, and THEN they went there. And this is God the Creator at work.
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So you don't have the chapter and verse in Genesis that says that Noah et al went to hell?
Okay. Then it does make it seem that your comment here was, well, made out of ignorance? Yes?
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And even if there was, we can be quite certain everyone who wasn't spared went to Hell.
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Just sayin'... 
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May 22, '12, 3:55 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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So you don't have the chapter and verse in Genesis that says that Noah et al went to hell?
Okay. Then it does make it seem that your comment here was, well, made out of ignorance? Yes?
Just sayin'... |
Nice try. You lose.
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May 22, '12, 3:55 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Originally Posted by ASimon
The flood came, drowned almost all the people, and their souls went....well, nowhere, it seems like, since there was no heaven or hell to go to. So, all those people either blinked out of existence, or their souls stayed in some limbo-like state for a few thousand years,
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You do realize there's no such thing as "years" after one dies, right?
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until Hell had its grand opening, and THEN they went there.
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Chapter and verse, please, that says "and THEN they went there."
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And this is God the Creator at work.
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God the Creator changes the universe forever each and every time he creates an immortal soul. No soul has ever been destroyed. That makes God a creator, not a destroyer.
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May 22, '12, 3:59 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Nice try. You lose.
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No chapter and verse, yet?
Didn't you say you got it from Genesis?
Ah, yes, here it is:
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My source is the book of Genesis itself.
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Look, Simon, I'm just messin' with you.
I know that there is no verse in Genesis, or in any other book of the Bible, that says that Noah went to hell.
So no need to search feverishly through the Bible to find it.
It was just a way of pointing out to you that you are not quite familiar with Catholic teaching, and to be more judicious about what you post regarding what we believe.
That's all I was doing.
Now we can continue our dialogue, 'kay? 
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May 22, '12, 4:04 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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You do realize there's no such thing as "years" after one dies, right?
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You tell me. You're the one who can't decide what happened to all the people God drowned in the OT. If you no longer have consciousness after you die, then time really doesn't matter anymore. Nor does anything else. So God killed most of humanity, and from that moment on, they had no consciousness and ceased in every measure. So, God destroyed them.
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Chapter and verse, please, that says "and THEN they went there."
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Please cite chapter and verse where the bible says "Chapter and verse."
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May 22, '12, 4:05 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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No chapter and verse, yet?
Didn't you say you got it from Genesis?
Ah, yes, here it is:
Look, Simon, I'm just messin' with you.
I know that there is no verse in Genesis, or in any other book of the Bible, that says that Noah went to hell.
So no need to search feverishly through the Bible to find it.
It was just a way of pointing out to you that you are not quite familiar with Catholic teaching, and to be more judicious about what you post regarding what we believe.
That's all I was doing.
Now we can continue our dialogue, 'kay? |
Please cite for me a Magisterial document that says "kay."
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May 22, '12, 4:09 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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You tell me.
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No, Simon, there is no such thing as "years" after one dies.
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If you no longer have consciousness after you die, then time really doesn't matter anymore.
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'zactly!! 
So it really makes your comment about the souls being in a limbo-like state for "thousands of years" moot, no?
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So God killed most of humanity, and from that moment on, they had no consciousness and ceased in every measure. So, God destroyed them.
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If you want to call being in the abode of the dead "destroyed", okay. 
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Please cite chapter and verse where the bible says "Chapter and verse."
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Why do I have to do that? I didn't say that I could find in Genesis that Noah went to hell.
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My source is the book of Genesis itself.
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May 22, '12, 4:11 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Please cite for me a Magisterial document that says "kay."
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May 23, '12, 2:54 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Please cite for me a Magisterial document that says "kay."
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You're not doing a very good job proving your point here...
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May 23, '12, 3:04 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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You're not doing a very good job proving your point here... |
When the goalposts keep moving, you have to make do.
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May 23, '12, 3:19 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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Agreed. But that is late. I agree that the Jews came to believe in a positive ending place for the dead, but that only came late as did there belief in Resurrection. Earlier, belief in Sheol was more common, which always seemed to me to be sort of comparable to Hades, a dim place of forgetfulness and sleep.
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Better late than never - especially considering that it was before Jesus was born!
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May 23, '12, 8:11 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
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You're not doing a very good job proving your point here... |
I think I was just frustrating Simon. I was just having a bit o' fun at his expense, I do admit. 
But I am ready to talk straight and not mess with him. (It was just soooo easy! )
When someone comes to a Catholic forum but is ignorant of Catholic teaching, it does make this someone an easy mark.
One ought to at least have some idea of what Catholicism proclaims (and the Bible**), if one is going to be in dialogue here.
**NB: Genesis NEVER states that Noah went to hell, despite claims to the contrary.
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May 23, '12, 11:43 pm
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Re: Why is faith considered to be such a great virtue?
Replace the word "faith" with "trust". Now if you understand that Catholicism (indeed all of Christianity) is about a relationship with God, you can see how important faith is in that relationship. We know that all of our best relationships with other people are absolutely based on trust.
God Bless,
Jack Handy
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