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Jun 21, '12, 5:01 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Very odd. You claimed that "the dead prophets have no say-so, unless you are descended from them", to which I responded that that is false, since Latter-day Saints are encouraged to read and study the words of "the dead prophets" as found in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants, as well as the words of latter-day prophets and apostles not found in the canonized scriptures. So obviously I support Latter-day Saints reading our own scriptures (and if non-LDS desire to do so, they certainly can).
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Where are the remnants of the great nations of the Neophites and Lamanites? There is much archeological evidence of the Mayans for example, but none of these two great civilizations. 
Also, where in church history is the total apostasy? There is no mention of this anywhere by the early church fathers. None. Just the opposite, the Catholic church grew from a mustard to the ends of the earth, clearly visible to all just like Christ said it would.
Your religion is made up by a man and can not be verified using the teachings of your church. 
Peace.
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Jun 21, '12, 5:36 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Living Waters -
Where are the remnants of the great nations of the Neophites and Lamanites? There is much archeological evidence of the Mayans for example, but none of these two great civilizations.
Also, where in church history is the total apostasy? There is no mention of this anywhere by the early church fathers. None. Just the opposite, the Catholic church grew from a mustard to the ends of the earth, clearly visible to all just like Christ said it would.
Your religion is made up by a man and can not be verified using the teachings of your church.
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That is yet another problem. Hundreds of thousand of people died in battle In Palmyra, New York (according to Joseph Smith), yet the LDS refuses to excavate on its land. Why? because they KNOW they will not find anything to support Joseph Smith's tales of fancy.
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Jun 21, '12, 5:52 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Also, where in church history is the total apostasy? There is no mention of this anywhere by the early church fathers. None
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Instead, the ECF, particularly Irenaeus and Clement, knowledgeable about the gnostic cults. It is almost as if the Mormons had studied their descriptions and resurrected that form of gnosticism. It makes sense when you realize that gnosticism is particularly diverse, given its nature. That is the apostasy-- and Mormons are deep into it. 
You can wade through Against Heresies and Stromata, if you want. I have about 12 excerpts.
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Jun 21, '12, 6:05 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
that has always befuddled me. No one knows where the alleged Book of Mormon History took place. So, any excavation to prove any claims are futile. And those who have tried have failed and found nothing.
Yet, there IS one place that current LDS prophets have claimed we know. Palmyra, New York. A great battle where thousands upon thousands died occurred at Hill Cumorah. So, since that is the ONLY place we know of from the Book of Mormon, why hasn't anyone excavated? It would be THE way to prove Joseph right. IF we find the bones and evidence of such a great battle right there, then the Book of Mormon has at least SOME evidence that it is authentic.
Yet, in the ONE place LDS leaders know about from the Book of Mormon, NO excavation has been done. None. Nada. Zip.
That should tell us all we want to know about if the LDS Leaders truly believe the Smith Fairly Tales.
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Jun 21, '12, 8:52 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
Don't you know TK? The battle location in the BoM may or may not be the same hill in NY. 
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Jun 21, '12, 8:57 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
A very good thread about the Cumorah issue:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthrea...475969=Cumorah
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Jun 21, '12, 10:44 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Don't you know TK? The battle location in the BoM may or may not be the same hill in NY. |
except for the pesky fact that LDs "prophets" said it did
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Jun 21, '12, 10:46 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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ah...I remember that thread!!!
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Jun 21, '12, 10:52 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
Yes you would. And so do I. Amazing what multiple identites do, for those who do not know the history of these debates.
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Jun 21, '12, 11:02 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Yes you would. And so do I. Amazing what multiple identites do, for those who do not know the history of these debates.
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Yes...except mine is not multiple. It is changed. I am here with permission.
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Jun 21, '12, 11:06 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Yes...except mine is not multiple. It is changed. I am here with permission.
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LOL, and I started my "Long Journey" account because my "Jerusha" identity was being mercilessly attacked. Nowadays, I just hit (!) A bit wiser.
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Jun 21, '12, 11:15 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
Ahhhh memories......I was involved in that thread too.
Boy, those were the days.... 
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Jun 21, '12, 11:26 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Ahhhh memories......I was involved in that thread too.
Boy, those were the days.... |
Yes. I was way too combative and aggressive.
I am glad things in my life settled down and the folks here were willing to give me another chance
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Jun 21, '12, 11:40 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
Yes the LDS is a cult , Joe Smith changed his `book` to suit his needs,many times. Need anyone say more if the book is wrong can the cult be any better ? Your servant in Christ Jesus, Gary
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Jun 21, '12, 11:46 am
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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This reminded me that the great battle included chariots and horses. Horses never came over to the Americas until the Spanish got here. 
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