Science can't destroy Religion

[buffalo]

Originally Posted by Al Moritz

I only know two scientists in our company that probably (not certainly) are atheists, and I know of several who definitely believe in God. But of course, I have not done a study. Yet the anecdotal evidence does not at all support the notion that scientists tend to be atheists.

I guess there is much ado about nothing on this issue.

I posted the surveys about evolutionary biologists and atheism. If I remember it was in the 70% range.

[ThinkingSapien]

Originally Posted by PRmerger

This is a trenchant point, when one considers why non-Catholics have chosen this particular forum in which to dialogue.

Why not go to a JW forum?

I don't know the answer as to why each individual comes here, but something draws them to Catholic Answers, and it is interesting to consider why...

There are several threads here in which non catholics have shared thesis motivations. The reasons vary a good bit.

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by inocente

An issue for me is that heart tissue decays like any other meat, yet when examined by Dr. Zugibe the famous pathologist, not only had it not decayed but was alive and beating. This would be front page news and of immense value to medical science, yet Zugibe doesn't shout it from the rooftops, he doesn't even mention it on his website, as if he's never heard of it.

And instead of the news being splashed across world TV with a press release from the Vatican, we only get to hear of it through a YouTube video.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

I looked at his website too while trying to track down the name of this ''lab'' where the beating moving heart tissue was observed, and in an effort to find out who this lab tech was so I could track down any statements he made about it, and neither are named.

Which, considering a pathologist, a medical person, a scientist has just discovered something that flies in the fact of all know science, he apparently didn't see fit to notify other pathologists and scientists to have this verified.

Now I think that's odd for someone who deals in death and the behavior of tissue after death to help police departments discover the cause of death.

Because this means that when someone is dead, you can't just look at heart tissue for investigation assuming the tissue is dead, since, on at least one occasion, that tissue had moving cells and was beating

This would completely overturn pathology as we know it.

Yet he, a world famous pathologist, did nothing.

It's just not credible at all.

Sarah x

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by CopticChristian

Give me the names of what you are looking for...I can always call and ask some questions and get back to you...on what I find out...if I have some time I can call and ask questions...

OK

This is so cool.

I feel like I'm in an episode of Bones

I've emailed the good Doctor asking for the name of the lab and it's location and for the name of the lab tech that discovered the moving cells and beating tissue. This is a start. If he replies I've got tons of questions about why he wrote no scientific papers for peer review on this ''miracle'' and if, as a pathologist, he did further studies on heart tissues, since a beating living heart tissue outside of the body turns medicine and science on it's head.

I've not had a reply yet but I'll keep you in the loop.

Angela Montenegro signing out.

Sarah x

[PRmerger]

Originally Posted by ThinkingSapien

The reasons vary a good bit.

No doubt, TS. No doubt.

It is an interesting exercise to consider the manifold reasons a non-Catholic wishes to come to a Catholic forum to dialogue.

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

This is so cool.

I feel like I'm in an episode of Bones

I've emailed the good Doctor asking for the name of the lab and it's location and for the name of the lab tech that discovered the moving cells and beating tissue. This is a start. If he replies I've got tons of questions about why he wrote no scientific papers for peer review on this ''miracle'' and if, as a pathologist, he did further studies on heart tissues, since a beating living heart tissue outside of the body turns medicine and science on it's head.

I've not had a reply yet but I'll keep you in the loop.

Angela Montenegro signing out.

Sarah x

Well that's disappointing. I've just checked my emails and the one to the good doctor bounced!

I'll try the numbers on the website on Monday and see if they work and if I can get to talk to him or one of his staff.

Sarah x

[CopticChristian]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

This is so cool.

I feel like I'm in an episode of Bones

I've emailed the good Doctor asking for the name of the lab and it's location and for the name of the lab tech that discovered the moving cells and beating tissue. This is a start. If he replies I've got tons of questions about why he wrote no scientific papers for peer review on this ''miracle'' and if, as a pathologist, he did further studies on heart tissues, since a beating living heart tissue outside of the body turns medicine and science on it's head.

I've not had a reply yet but I'll keep you in the loop.

Angela Montenegro signing out.

Sarah x

Sarah,

I sent an email...Dr. Coptic you know...and it was returned as not deliverable...I have the phone number and I can call and ask questions...Hello...yes...Hello Dr....this is Dr. Coptic and Sarah and I had some questions...of course..and what are they...

get back to you...

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by CopticChristian

Sarah,

I sent an email...Dr. Coptic you know...and it was returned as not deliverable...I have the phone number and I can call and ask questions...Hello...yes...Hello Dr....this is Dr. Coptic and Sarah and I had some questions...of course..and what are they...

get back to you...

I had my email bounce back too as undeliverable, Dr. Coptic ''Bones'' Christian

Ok, here's what we need to know for starters:

*What is the name, address and contact number of the lab this discovery was made in?

*What official laboratory records were kept of this event, and where can we get copies of these records?

*What photographic and video evidence was kept and where can we see this?

*What is the name and contact details of the lab tech who worked on the specimen - we will need to interview this perp!

*When presented with this event, what other examinations did you conduct to verify the findings?

*Did you write this up as a paper, and submit it for peer review?

*If not, why not? Considering this effectively turns what we know about biology on it's head.

*Did this discovery of living cells, and beating tissue, from a heart no longer attached to a living body, influence your subsequent work as a State Pathologist? Meaning, surely this would throw all forensic science and criminal medical investigation out the window - after all, a hotshot lawyer is bound to argue his client didn't in fact murder Mrs Appleblossom, since her heart is still beating on a microscope glass in a lab somewhere

*What other doctors and scientists of your calibre did you invite to see this phenomenon and how long did this phenomenon last?

*Where is the living beating tissue now, and is it still living and beating?

That's all I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure you've got much more scientifiky questions

Sarah x

[CopticChristian]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

I had my email bounce back too as undeliverable, Dr. Coptic ''Bones'' Christian

Ok, here's what we need to know for starters:

*What is the name, address and contact number of the lab this discovery was made in?

*What official laboratory records were kept of this event, and where can we get copies of these records?

*What photographic and video evidence was kept and where can we see this?

*What is the name and contact details of the lab tech who worked on the specimen - we will need to interview this perp!

*When presented with this event, what other examinations did you conduct to verify the findings?

*Did you write this up as a paper, and submit it for peer review?

*If not, why not? Considering this effectively turns what we know about biology on it's head.

*Did this discovery of living cells, and beating tissue, from a heart no longer attached to a living body, influence your subsequent work as a State Pathologist? Meaning, surely this would throw all forensic science and criminal medical investigation out the window - after all, a hotshot lawyer is bound to argue his client didn't in fact murder Mrs Appleblossom, since her heart is still beating on a microscope glass in a lab somewhere

*What other doctors and scientists of your calibre did you invite to see this phenomenon and how long did this phenomenon last?

*Where is the living beating tissue now, and is it still living and beating?

That's all I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure you've got much more scientifiky questions

Sarah x

Sarah,

I will do what I can...gotta get the guy on the phone first.

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by CopticChristian

Sarah,

I will do what I can...gotta get the guy on the phone first.

How we doin' Bones?

Any news?

Sarah x

[CopticChristian]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

How we doin' Bones?

Any news?

Sarah x

Busy day...will call tomorrow...

[atheistgirl]

Originally Posted by CopticChristian

Busy day...will call tomorrow...

Sarah x

[Bradski]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

I agree with you.

From everything I've been reading I wouldn't be ''rejected'' but rather, I would be encouraged - encouraged to keep searching, keep reading, keep studying, keep discussing ....... until I eventually believed as you did

Sarah x

Follow the way by which they began; by acting as if they believed, taking the holy water, having masses said, etc. Even this will naturally make you believe, and deaden your acuteness.

Were you channeling Pascal?

And c’mon guys. After running through the complete thread it’s like waiting for the next episode of ‘Be Still My Beating Heart’.

Has anyone talked to the good doctor?

[CopticChristian]

Originally Posted by Bradski

Follow the way by which they began; by acting as if they believed, taking the holy water, having masses said, etc. Even this will naturally make you believe, and deaden your acuteness.

Were you channeling Pascal?

And c’mon guys. After running through the complete thread it’s like waiting for the next episode of ‘Be Still My Beating Heart’.

Has anyone talked to the good doctor?

Ask Sarah...

[inocente]

Originally Posted by atheistgirl

How we doin' Bones?

Any news?

Sarah x

I did half-hour of searching:

1. The guy talking in the video is Ricardo Castañón Gómez, who on his Facebook page says he a psychologist with qualifications from all over the shop, which may well be bogus - I found no independent confirmation and a warning has been added to his very brief Wiki page (which he could have written himself) about there being no accredited references.

2. He says he is a member of el Grupo Internacional para la Paz, which sounds mighty impressive but doesn’t seem to exist.

3. In written accounts of the events, for instance here, here and here, Dr Zugibe the real-life pathologist becomes Dr Stigibe, a non-existent heart specialist, or at least I can't find him. Castañón wrote these after his video was uploaded on YouTube, so it's possible his only connection with Zugibe is getting a cease and desist order from Zugibe's lawyer, hence the name change.

4. The "it's still beating!" claim isn't in the written version. Perhaps market research indicated it was too unbelievable.

5. However, if you google the video's title in English, it's surprising how many people just swallow it unquestioningly, as if everything on YouTube must be true.