OT sacrifices of today

feed me · #1 Jul 18, '12, 3:04 pm

Since we all know about the Sacrifice of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin. He did away with the blood sacrifice for sins. My question is, is what would happen if a validly ordained priest(in a state of grace of course) actually did today build the alter of the OT and did an actual blood sacrifice to the Lord, with the burning of fat and other requirements like the OT? and do the Jewish rabbis' still do this?

**NotWorthy** · #2 Jul 18, '12, 4:59 pm

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Originally Posted by feed me

Since we all know about the Sacrifice of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin. He did away with the blood sacrifice for sins. My question is, is what would happen if a validly ordained priest(in a state of grace of course) actually did today build the alter of the OT and did an actual blood sacrifice to the Lord, with the burning of fat and other requirements like the OT? and do the Jewish rabbis' still do this?

Weren't all priestly animal sacrifices of the OT done at the Temple in Jerusalem (at least as a result of Levitical rules)? If so, then a priest would be performing an illegitimate sacrifice.... Hence, that would be a problem.

Regarding the Jewish Rabbi's, no, they do not perform any more Sacrifices. That is why Judaism is called "Rabbinical Judaism" today. There are no more priestly sacrifices and the rabbis are the leaders of the prayer services.

Todd Easton · #3 Jul 18, '12, 5:00 pm

What would happen? Assuming that he was not a descendant of Aaron, the earth would open up and swallow him alive, as happened to Korah and his men when they tried to offer sacrifices. (Numbers 16:1-35)

**NotWorthy** · #4 Jul 18, '12, 5:02 pm

Something to really ponder: According to one of the Jewish Mishna's of the 1st century BC era (think of the Mishna as a "Jewish Bible Commentary), there was a belief that, "After the Messiah comes, all Sacrifices will cease except for the Todah Sacrifice.

What is the Todah Sacrifice? It was an offering of bread and wine in Thanksgiving!!!! Sound familiar?

Todd Easton · #5 Jul 18, '12, 5:23 pm

An attempt was made to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem and renew the OT sacrifices by the Roman Emperor Julian the Apostate in A.D. 363. The project had to be abandoned because of repeated earthquakes and fire coming from out of the earth.

Todd Easton · #6 Jul 18, '12, 5:28 pm

A Catholic priest is ordained into the priestly order of Melchizedek and as such is only authorized to offer elements of bread and wine. Only members of the hereditary Aaronic priesthood are authorized to offer the OT sacrifices.

**NotWorthy** · #7 Jul 18, '12, 5:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Todd Easton

A Catholic priest is ordained into the priestly order of Melchizedek and as such is only authorized to offer elements of bread and wine. Only members of the hereditary Aaronic priesthood are authorized to offer the OT sacrifices.

... and only in the Temple (if I recall correctly).

TimothyH · #8 Jul 18, '12, 6:59 pm

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... and only in the Temple (if I recall correctly).

Yes, after the temple was built and the Levite priests began operation in the temple, sacrifice was to take place only there, and no place else.

Before the covenant at Mt. Sinia, every male head of his houshold was a priest and ruler for his own house. As the priest of his house, he could offer sacrifice to God on behalf of the members of his houshold. That privilege was taken away at Mt. Sinia when the people worshipped the golden calf. Only the members of the tribe of Levi did not worship the calf and so God took away the priesthood from the common man and gave it to the males of the tribe of Levi.

After this time, only the Levites were priests. A male head of houshold could not offer sacrifice on behalf of his family any longer, and had to go to the Levitical priests who offered sacrifice on their behalf. It was a great loss for the common man - he could not longer atone for the sins of his family but had to go to the Levite priests. To help ensure that only appointed Levite priests offered sacrifice, God commanded at this point that sacrifice be offered only in the courtyard of the portable tabernacle. Anyone caught offering sacrifice by himself was guilty of ignoring the legitimate priesthood established by God, guilt of ignoring Gods legitimate authority on earth.

When the priesthood moved into the permanent temple built by King Solomon, sacrifice moved to the temple with them. After the temple was built, sacrifice was supposed to take place only in Jerusalem, only in the temple, and nowhere else. To a Jew, worship was sacrifice, and it took place in one spot on earth, in the temple in Jerusalem.

King Jeroboam however, set up an altar in Bethel...

Jeroboam established a feast in the eighth month on the fifteenth day of the month like the pilgrimage feast in Judah, and he went up to the altar. He did this in Bethel, sacrificing to the calves he had made. He stationed in Bethel the priests of the high places he had built. (1 Kingsa 12:32)

...and it didn't turn out good.

When the king heard the word of the man of God which he was crying out against the altar in Bethel, Jeroboam stretched forth his hand from the altar and said, “Seize him!” But the hand he stretched forth against him withered, so that he could not draw it back. (1 Kings 13:4)

After the Levitical priesthood was established by God, every time someone set up an altar on their own accord, it didn't turn out good. To set up your own altar was to seperate yourself from God's legitimate authority. That never turns out good.

That was part of the reason why God became man, because even the Levitical priesthood had become corrupt. God came to take away authority from the "Chair of Moses" and give it to the "Chair of Peter", and to establish a new priesthood, and restore the common priesthood to the common man.

-Tim-

feed me · #9 Jul 21, '12, 2:43 pm

It seems to me that we are headed back to the OT sacrifices when Christ Returns.

Joe Kelley · #10 Jul 21, '12, 5:32 pm

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It seems to me that we are headed back to the OT sacrifices when Christ Returns.

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. ...2* And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband; 3* and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, * and God himself will be with them; * ... 22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. ...

Revelation 21:2-3, 22
With no Temple, it would seem that there would be no sacrifice.

patrick457 · #11 Jul 22, '12, 3:42 am

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Originally Posted by feed me

Since we all know about the Sacrifice of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin. He did away with the blood sacrifice for sins. My question is, is what would happen if a validly ordained priest(in a state of grace of course) actually did today build the alter of the OT and did an actual blood sacrifice to the Lord, with the burning of fat and other requirements like the OT?

Other than doing a speculative reconstruction and perhaps violating a few laws against cruelty to animals (depends on where you're living), nothing much.

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and do the Jewish rabbis' still do this?

Let me just make one thing clear: rabbis are lay theologians, not priests (which are kohanim, singular kohen - this is where we get the surname Cohen and other variations from). While modern Judaism is now more centered on rabbis rather than priests (although kohanim are still accorded great respect), and while some modern rabbis act like Christian pastors (the so-called 'pulpit rabbis') and are sometimes legally treated like one, rabbis do not have any special clerical duties or functions. They are nothing more than regular people, teachers who are sufficiently educated in Torah and halakhah (Jewish law), and who have authorization and authority to instruct the community and to answer questions and resolve disputes regarding it. In fact, a rabbi has no more authority to perform rituals or ceremonies than any other Jewish male adult. You technically don't even need a rabbi for a wedding if you're Jewish, although secular law in some areas might even require one for a marriage to be recognized.

patrick457 · #12 Jul 22, '12, 3:52 am

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Originally Posted by NotWorthy

Something to really ponder: According to one of the Jewish Mishna's of the 1st century BC era (think of the Mishna as a "Jewish Bible Commentary), there was a belief that, "After the Messiah comes, all Sacrifices will cease except for the Todah Sacrifice.

What is the Todah Sacrifice? It was an offering of bread and wine in Thanksgiving!!!! Sound familiar?

Actually the Mishnah is the compendium of the Oral Law, and is only put down in written form much later.

And the quote actually comes from the Pesiqta de-Rab Kahana, 79a ("In the world to come, all sacrifice will cease, but the 'sacrifice of thanksgiving' (cf. Psalm 50:14) will remain forever; equally, all confessions will cease, but the confession of thanksgiving will remain forever.") and Leviticus Rabbah 9.7: "All sacrifices, except thank-offerings, will be abolished in future; and even should prayer be abolished, that portion thereof which comes under Praises will not be abolished."

feed me · #13 Jul 22, '12, 3:25 pm

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Originally Posted by Joe Kelley

Revelation 21:2-3, 22
With no Temple, it would seem that there would be no sacrifice.

So what about Eziekel chapter 44 - 46?... nvm that has to do with the 1000 year reign?

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