Cardinal George: Would Jesus Be Welcome in Chicago?

[George Stegmeir]

Originally Posted by captainmike

How much longer will speech like this be tolerated in the US?

http://www.archchicago.org/blog/comm...spx?postID=276

The answer is simple: As long as the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution is in effect!
The First Amendment of our Constitutions, guarentees the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and the Freedom of Assembly. We can say anything we want to, anywhere we want to, except possibly yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire, or committing libel.
We also have the right to like or dislike anyone we want. The only thing not permitted in this regard is officially condoned racial or religious bigotry. Expressing anti gay sentiments orally or in print has yet to be outlawed. You may be publicly ostracized for making such statements, but you can make them.
No where, outside of possibly San Francisco and New York City have gay "civil rights" been held up in the law courts. These "rights" have been largely the creation of the mass media, and several local legislatures have acted accordingly.

[CaptFun]

Originally Posted by irishpatrick

A slight nitpik--it is "Soldier Field."

A manifestation of the "One man, one field" principle!

A slight nitpik > a night chickflick; but a slight nitpick < a night picnic***

*** if there is sufficient light. If not, a slight nitpick = light toothpick.

Soldier ON! (Or should I say "Bear Down ... Chicago Beeeeeears")

[irishpatrick]

Originally Posted by CaptFun

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProVobis
I stand corrected.

But Soldier Field has been totally rebuilt so I doubt if we can get a big turnout there today.

It would have to be Wrigley Field as Mayor Emmanuel won't even touch that place.




Too scary. If they granted THAT permit it'd be with the proviso that the exploding scoreboard's barrels be trained on the altar!

Don't think that's the "cell" some politicians have in mind for us.

One outdoor public spectacle mass per year in a large venue might not be a bad idea though. I suggest one - a week before national elections every - two years. Hey, maybe make it a Traditional Latin Mass too. (I know some of those were said in Catacombs, not sure about ballparks ... but to meet in the middle, hey, maybe Wrigley after all. That "ship's mast" on the scoreboard looks like a cross to get things started).

It'd be a refreshing change to see the Bishop offering THE Sacrifice ... in place of the usual light hitting pitchers trying to lay one down. < Not serious here.

As for actual problems with reverence, I remember Pope John Paul II saying open air masses in stadiums. The most memorable adjustment was in Tempe, Arizona where a devil on the scoreboard (Arizona State U's mascot is a "Sun Devil" cartoon) was covered up for the day.

That had its secular counterpart when POTUS BH Obama spoke at Georgetown U. and demanded that an IHS symbol in Gaston Hall be covered. IHS symbolizes the name of Jesus Christ.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/geor...ouse-request-0

I do wonder if President Obama makes similar demands of Muslim venues or if he'd visit
Tienamen Square in Peking and ask for Mao's picture be turned to the wall. But I don't wonder long.


Trad mass in a ballpark - the ultimate collision of the ancient, modern, reverent & "cool"?
Well, they did something at Soldier Field in 1954. Wish I had a picture of this - haven't seen an overview one yet. Just a close-up of some Knights of Columbus that could have been from anywhere.

LOL...wow, you have so much in this post, there is no way for me to unpack it all.

[irishpatrick]

Originally Posted by CaptFun

A manifestation of the "One man, one field" principle!

A slight nitpik > a night chickflick; but a slight nitpick < a night picnic***

*** if there is sufficient light. If not, a slight nitpick = light toothpick.

Soldier ON! (Or should I say "Bear Down ... Chicago Beeeeeears")

Hmmm....interesting nitpiks...

[ProVobis]

Originally Posted by irishpatrick

LOL--or the Cell.

Maybe not. That's where Emmanuel spends his time. And where Obama wish he could.

[ProVobis]

Originally Posted by CaptFun

Trad mass in a ballpark - the ultimate collision of the ancient, modern, reverent & "cool"?
Well, they did something at Soldier Field in 1954. Wish I had a picture of this - haven't seen an overview one yet. Just a close-up of some Knights of Columbus that could have been from anywhere.

I couldn't find a picture of the stadium but here's one of a ticket.

http://familyephemera.tumblr.com/image/25034897849

[CaptFun]

Originally Posted by ProVobis

I couldn't find a picture of the stadium but here's one of a ticket.

http://familyephemera.tumblr.com/image/25034897849

That RULES! < Californian for that is very, very good!

[CaptFun]

Originally Posted by irishpatrick

LOL...wow, you have so much in this post, there is no way for me to unpack it all.

What a talented fellow you are. I can't tell where the counsel ends and the compliment begins! Thanks.

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by ProVobis

I couldn't find a picture of the stadium but here's one of a ticket.

This isn't the same event, but how about the 28th International Eucharistic Congress held at Soldier Field in 1926?

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[irishpatrick]

Originally Posted by CaptFun

What a talented fellow you are. I can't tell where the counsel ends and the compliment begins! Thanks.

The talent belongs to you.

[CaptFun]

Originally Posted by Dale_M

This isn't the same event, but how about the 28th International Eucharistic Congress held at Soldier Field in 1926?

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Dale: "Dude. You TOTALLY Rule!"

I'm going to show that picture to my Dad later today! He was BORN in 1924 in Chicago. He'll love it. He'd have been 2 years old, but I bet his folks (especially my Grandmother) was there.

Out here in Orange County we do have Eucharistic Congresses at the Anaheim Convention Center. They are 3 days long and have about 20,000 coming and going, but the masses have maybe 5,000 or so.

I actually think an outdoor mass at Angel Stadium once per year would be great and would bring thousands, especially if the local parishes cancelled their late masses for that day and it was held at night.

Do they still do something like that in Chicago? On a smaller scale?

PS: Nice prayer for Syria too Dale. And AMEN.

[_Abyssinia]

Chicago Values, Revisited: it’s not about chicken! Cardinal francis george

http://www.archchicago.org/blog/comm...spx?postid=278

[JimG]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

Chicago Values, Revisited: it’s not about chicken! Cardinal francis george

http://www.archchicago.org/blog/comm...spx?postid=278

This is certainly worth a read. I especially appreciated this observation from Cardinal George:

"What is singularly peculiar about the “gay marriage” argument is the way its proponents dismiss the field of nature itself as in any way normative for human actions. We would think it odd if the government, in order to please those who desire to fly without an airplane, were to repeal the law of gravity. If nature gets in the way of a new civil right to “gay marriage,” however, that’s too bad for nature. This strikes me as bizarre."

[Joe 5859]

Originally Posted by _Abyssinia

Chicago Values, Revisited: it’s not about chicken! Cardinal francis george

http://www.archchicago.org/blog/comm...spx?postid=278

What a great article! I love Cardinal George.

[Tampa Dave]

The little town of Wickliffe, Ohio (population 13,000) sponsors an annual Catholic festival that drew 35,000 people this year. Check it out: http://www.thefest.us/