Paul Ryan!! - Page 23

seekerz · #**331** Aug 11, '12, 4:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Pork Roll

Even if he's overly enthusiastic about Ayn Rand's writings, he's only a VP and will have little impact on how Romney runs the nation if elected. I'm just happy to see that he's catholic and very pro-life.

I'd prefer that he was formed by GKC or JPII rather than Ayn Rand. I just don't understand why he thinks our defense spending shouldn't be included in budget cuts.

That's probably because he considers the drivers of debt to be social programs. Apparently, massive spending on wars which may or may not have been justified don't have to be accounted for...

**estesbob** · #**332** Aug 11, '12, 4:47 pm

Must be a great pick given all the hyperventilation on the part of the Democrats since he was announced

Pork Roll · #**333** Aug 11, '12, 4:50 pm

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That's probably because he considers the drivers of debt to be social programs. Apparently, massive spending on wars which may or may not have been justified don't have to be accounted for...

He would never had been considered for VP if he wanted to cut defense spending. Maybe the whole thing is rigged by powerful and well financed interests.

**Prodigal Son1** · #**334** Aug 11, '12, 4:50 pm

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Originally Posted by estesbob

Must be a great pick given all the hyperventilation on the part of the Democrats since he was announced

I think any hyperventilation comes from the immediate jump to medicare and social security from some of his supporters, without mention of the issues of abortion or gay marriage.

Seeker1961 · #**335** Aug 11, '12, 4:57 pm

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Originally Posted by estesbob

Must be a great pick given all the hyperventilation on the part of the Democrats since he was announced

My Democratic friends are THRILLED. They were worried he was going to pick Pawlenty.

I really don't know how a Catholic can be a devotee of Ayn Rand-she was proud of her atheism and her writings reflect it.

lynnvinc · #**336** Aug 11, '12, 5:22 pm

PR is the last nail in the coffin for me re voting for Romney. I'm pro-life and I cannot vote for a pro-death candidate, one who would (wittingly or unwittingly) lead us to annihilation of life (or a huge chunk of it) on earth through climate change and other very serious environmental problems confronting us today.

At least Romney was for mitigating climate change before he was against it, but now I understand his true view on it by his selecting PR. (The fact that PR would work to gut medicare and social security and dump on thepoor (which I'm also against), and that he would work to fight medical abortions (his one good point) pale in comparison to his attack on the environment and all life on earth -- and makes me really question his sincerity re fighting against abortion -- it just doesn't compute.)

http://www.lcv.org/media/blog/meet-paul-ryan.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...yte/?mobile=nc

Abba · #**337** Aug 11, '12, 5:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Havard

Come on, there's still some substance to analyze.

I like the interview because it was done by Ramon Arroyo in a setting I am familiar with and this allowed me to analyze the man closer. He's alright overall. I think he is trying to disassociate himself from Ayn Rand. Perhaps, he is being honest, who knows.

It's a little sketchy. Maybe he grew out of her really quickly. We can only speculate.

At any rate, it looks like he wants to disassociate himself as a politician with his medicare plan to present the plan as having roots in a moral/ethical ideology (mainly those of the Catholic faith) and by doing so gaining the approval and trust of the elderly.

It was smart or he has some Catholic helping him; to come around and close the interview by inserting "Without Roots" written by Radzinger and Pera(http://www.amazon.com/Without-Roots-.../dp/0465006345). In doing so he is attempting to confirm his explanation about his connection with Ayn Rand and how good things can be taken from atheist ideas and applied by a faithful and the two can work together. It looks to me as though someone helped him out with making that circle.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt as he belongs to a parish and is a practicing Catholic.

I still need to read his plan. So, it passed the house but not the senate? Is it going nowhere right now? I have not been keeping up with this stuff at all. Hey, we have to choose our wars and there are only so many hours in a day. But, now I will take a closer look and get informed for election.

Does any care to share what are the advantage and disadvantages? Will the elderly suffer and loose the human rights after a certain age even though it may not be explicitly written in the plan, will it result in that? I like that he says that it made medicare and social security fix themselves and prevent bankruptcy and austerity measures.

salusanimarum17 · #**338** Aug 11, '12, 5:40 pm

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Originally Posted by Schism hater

The following quotes by Paul Ryan *prior* to the clean-up job when he became a national political figure speak for themselves: ...

How do any of those quotes call his Catholic faith into question or make him an unfaithful Catholic? The general context is economics, capitalism, socialism, etc., not faith. Unless you are saying his economic ideas are such that they basically excommunicate Ryan....

Abba · #**339** Aug 11, '12, 5:41 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnvinc

PR is the last nail in the coffin for me re voting for Romney. I'm pro-life and I cannot vote for a pro-death candidate, one who would (wittingly or unwittingly) lead us to annihilation of life (or a huge chunk of it) on earth through climate change and other very serious environmental problems confronting us today.

At least Romney was for mitigating climate change before he was against it, but now I understand his true view on it by his selecting PR. (The fact that PR would work to gut medicare and social security and dump on thepoor (which I'm also against), and that he would work to fight medical abortions (his one good point) pale in comparison to his attack on the environment and all life on earth -- and makes me really question his sincerity re fighting against abortion -- it just doesn't compute.)

http://www.lcv.org/media/blog/meet-paul-ryan.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...yte/?mobile=nc

I can appreciate with what you are saying, because if Social Security funds and Medicare funds were used for the general budget then instead of going after the poor and elderly with cuts to balance the budget of Medicare and SS why not cut on spending with other things like 15 Billions of tax payers money to Israel etc... and defense spending etc...

Scott_Lafrance · #**340** Aug 11, '12, 5:41 pm

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Originally Posted by salusanimarum17

How do any of those quotes call his Catholic faith into question or make him an unfaithful Catholic? The general context is economics, capitalism, socialism, etc., not faith. Unless you are saying his economic ideas are such that they basically excommunicate Ryan....

And since both of his Bishops (Morino and Nolan) have both confirmed that Ryan sought their council when developing his budget proposal, the case that Ryan should be excommunicated are thin.

salusanimarum17 · #**341** Aug 11, '12, 5:42 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnvinc

PR is the last nail in the coffin for me re voting for Romney. I'm pro-life and I cannot vote for a pro-death candidate, one who would (wittingly or unwittingly) lead us to annihilation of life (or a huge chunk of it) on earth through climate change and other very serious environmental problems confronting us today.

At least Romney was for mitigating climate change before he was against it, but now I understand his true view on it by his selecting PR. (The fact that PR would work to gut medicare and social security and dump on thepoor (which I'm also against), and that he would work to fight medical abortions (his one good point) pale in comparison to his attack on the environment and all life on earth -- and makes me really question his sincerity re fighting against abortion -- it just doesn't compute.)

http://www.lcv.org/media/blog/meet-paul-ryan.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...yte/?mobile=nc

Sorry, I think that's pretty far out. If you are so into climate change, what has Obama done about that? Pretty hot this year and he's not scaling back on his Air Force One trips, that's for sure.

As for "gutting medicare" etc., please refer me to his budget plan where I can find the proof of what you are saying.