GOP Senate candidate says he ‘misspoke’ with ‘legitimate rape’ comment - Page 17

LucyLight · #**241** Aug 20, '12, 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by Scott_Lafrance

Its not MY science. It is peer reviewed science. I didn't do the study, I simply cited it. And stress can suppress gonadotropic releasing hormone, which can interfere with ovulation via supression of the release of luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone cycle of the female. This isn't opinion, it is fact.

So can dehydration. The fact is woman can and do get pregnant from rape. So what Akin said was false. The most likely reasons a woman wouldn't get pregnant from rape is because she wasn't ovulating or is using birth control.

Scott_Lafrance · #**242** Aug 20, '12, 5:17 pm

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Originally Posted by LucyLight

So can dehydration. The fact is woman can and do get pregnant from rape. So what Akin said was false. The most likely reasons a woman wouldn't get pregnant from rape is because she wasn't ovulating or is using birth control.

I, nor he, ever claimed that a woman couldn't get pregnant as a result of rape, only that it was less likely. And while your conditions are indeed true, sudden, traumatic stress can create physiological conditions that can IMPAIR conception, not prevent it. That is the case I am making, conception can be impaired, not prevented.

ringil · #**243** Aug 20, '12, 5:34 pm

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Originally Posted by Scott_Lafrance

I, nor he, ever claimed that a woman couldn't get pregnant as a result of rape, only that it was less likely. And while your conditions are indeed true, sudden, traumatic stress can create physiological conditions that can IMPAIR conception, not prevent it. That is the case I am making, conception can be impaired, not prevented.

You are really trying to put the best possible spin on this fellow's remarks.

I am just hopeful that he refuses to bow out but I don't see that happening.

DarkLight · #**244** Aug 20, '12, 5:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Scott_Lafrance

I, nor he, ever claimed that a woman couldn't get pregnant as a result of rape, only that it was less likely. And while your conditions are indeed true, sudden, traumatic stress can create physiological conditions that can IMPAIR conception, not prevent it. That is the case I am making, conception can be impaired, not prevented.

I think I would repeat my previous comment in this thread...politicians are responsible not just for their intentions but for what they actually say. I don't want to turn it into a gotcha game, but there are just too many problems with what he actually said to overlook.

Vangaurdian · #**245** Aug 20, '12, 6:13 pm

The only mistake in the comment was the use of the word "legitimate".

The correct word would have been "forcible", or "violent".
In which case, Mr. Akin would be absolutely correct.

FACT
Less than 1% of all abortions are from "rape". Bering in mind that this includes non-forcible (coerced, non-violent, etc.) rapes.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

Mr. Akin's grammatical error seems understandible, The faux news extrapolation of this incident belies their true agenda. I found it odd that faux news morning show jockey's followed the marching orders to cite CNN's "statistics" this morning...

Faux news is no friend to the pro-life movement.

Rich Olszewski · #**246** Aug 20, '12, 6:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Vangaurdian

Faux news is no friend to the pro-life movement.

Does it have to be?

LucyLight · #**247** Aug 20, '12, 6:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Scott_Lafrance

I, nor he, ever claimed that a woman couldn't get pregnant as a result of rape, only that it was less likely. And while your conditions are indeed true, sudden, traumatic stress can create physiological conditions that can IMPAIR conception, not prevent it. That is the case I am making, conception can be impaired, not prevented.

To be charitable I'll just focus on what Akin said.

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

The implication is, pregnancy is not an issue for rape victims.

He is going about this the wrong way. Women obviously get pregnant from rape. If stress did play a role in a conception or a miscarriage we would have no way of knowing that. This makes women who have become pregnant from rape look suspect. A rape victim who has chosen life does not need the added suspicion that she already encounters because of the few women who have falsely accused men. Prolife people should stay far away from this kind of thinking and language. We should be the most outspoken when it comes to defending rape victims and their unborn children. Akin instead should of defended those women and then gone on to say how we should all come to their aid to support their unborn children.

april32010 · #**248** Aug 20, '12, 6:57 pm

one of the reasons that rape doesn't result in pregnancy that often is that around 50%of rapists don't ejaculate .and of the percentage that do , many times it is not deposited in the women. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publicatio....aspx?id=47007 the belief he articulated is not uncommon among people, men and women who are not familiar with these facts but do know that pregnancy is not common as a result of rape.

LucyLight · #**249** Aug 20, '12, 7:03 pm

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Originally Posted by Vangaurdian

The only mistake in the comment was the use of the word "legitimate".

The correct word would have been "forcible", or "violent".
In which case, Mr. Akin would be absolutely correct.

FACT
Less than 1% of all abortions are from "rape". Bering in mind that this includes non-forcible (coerced, non-violent, etc.) rapes.
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

Mr. Akin's grammatical error seems understandible, The faux news extrapolation of this incident belies their true agenda. I found it odd that faux news morning show jockey's followed the marching orders to cite CNN's "statistics" this morning...

Faux news is no friend to the pro-life movement.

It's pretty hard to argue that rape is ever non-violent. All forms of rape cause the victim stress. If a man manipulates a mentally handicapped woman who has the mind of a child into having sex with him that's rape. Her trauma might be just as great or worse than the victim who's attacker jumps out of the bushes. Stop defending this nonsense. I don't want this guy speaking for the pro-life movement.

Bill Martin · #**250** Aug 20, '12, 7:20 pm

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Originally Posted by LucyLight

It's pretty hard to argue that rape is ever non-violent. All forms of rape cause the victim stress. If a man manipulates a mentally handicapped woman who has the mind of a child into having sex with him that's rape. Her trauma might be just as great or worse than the victim who's attacker jumps out of the bushes. Stop defending this nonsense. I don't want this guy speaking for the pro-life movement.

The definition of rape has become so loose that consensual sex can be called rape if one of the people changes their mind. And if the sex stops there, as it should, they can still claim rape and probably get away with it because the DNA evidence would back it.

april32010 · #**251** Aug 20, '12, 7:25 pm

http://books.google.com/books?id=xH6...egnancy&f=true and what he stated is has been postulated by reputable researchers .

LucyLight · #**252** Aug 20, '12, 7:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Bill Martin

The definition of rape has become so loose that consensual sex can be called rape if one of the people changes their mind. And if the sex stops there, as it should, they can still claim rape and probably get away with it because the DNA evidence would back it.

I'm not sure what your saying here. If a woman starts to have sex with a man but then changes her mind and wants to stop but he forces her, that's rape. If a woman has consensual sex with a man, is of the legal age, is mentally competent to decide than that is not rape.She cannot legally say that she regretted it and call that rape. She would have to lie about the circumstances to claim a rape occurred. So that would be a lie and would not be rape. Not sure what your point is?

dixieagle · #**253** Aug 20, '12, 7:35 pm

Even if there is, possibly, a kernel of truth in what the Congressman said, he was a complete fool to say something like that in the current political climate. I was listening to the various news networks on the radio while traveling today and it was THE hot topic.

Pro-life politicians must realize that the pro-abortion contingent is in full attack mode, as the poll numbers have been moving towards the pro-life side for years now. They must understand that their words will be twisted, taken out of context and used to portray anyone who dares to oppose abortion as a soldier in the "war on women". Aiken played directly into the enemy's hands.

Bill Martin · #**254** Aug 20, '12, 7:47 pm

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Originally Posted by LucyLight

I'm not sure what your saying here. If a woman starts to have sex with a man but then changes her mind and wants to stop but he forces her, that's rape. If a woman has consensual sex with a man, is of the legal age, is mentally competent to decide than that is not rape.She cannot legally say that she regretted it and call that rape. She would have to lie about the circumstances to claim a rape occurred. So that would be a lie and would not be rape. Not sure what your point is?

It isn't limited to cases where he forces her to continue. If she says no and he doesn't stop within an undetermined, unknown, and undefined amount of time, it's rape. If she says something other than "no" and he does not understand what she means, it's rape.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...4786-1,00.html

This kind of thing cheapens the word and is a complete insult to genuine rape victims.

St Francis · #**255** Aug 20, '12, 7:53 pm

If a Democrat politician had said something along those lines, this would be a total non-issue. But an eeeeevvvvvillllll Republican said it, therefore, he must be trying to offend women, pregnant woemn, victims of rape, and pretty much everyone else.

If y'all would cut Akins some slack and realize that he was making a perfectly good point in albeit a not entirely absolutely 1000% perfect way, you would realize that as Catholics we ought to agree with him.

Pregnancy as the result of rape is less likely; but even so, we need to punish the rapist, not the child conceived by him.

What is the problem a Catholic would have with that? We are sitting here splitting hairs over what precisely he meant by "legitimate rape" and whether it is true that women are not as likely to become pregnant as the result of rape, etc., and totally ignoring what he was trying to say in favor of jumping all over him for what are, seriously, minor flaws in his choice of words.