Taking Back Our Culture

**edwest2** · #1 Aug 20, '12, 5:21 pm

From the National Catholic register:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/dan-b...cation-at-work

Peace,
Ed

SeanF1989 · #2 Aug 20, '12, 6:37 pm

I believe bringing the West back to teh Church is possible but it will be long and hard. Western culture is now heavily influenced by far left wing views, feminism, gay rights, atheism and a fierce anti-Christian sentiment in films, books, magazines, television, music etc

Just look at Scandanavia and Portugal where death metal has become popular, just today some death metal fan from Portugal told me that Portugal is majority atheist and they hate the Church and American religious views. Then I was called subhuman.

teenphilo1 · #3 Aug 20, '12, 8:08 pm

and we are the intolerant ones? Contrarily, I believe that the world is in a prime position for the Church to make a comeback. If we helped every person in depression because of the modern philosophies out of their depression, we would evangelize the west in a matter of months.

teenphilo1 · #4 Aug 20, '12, 8:09 pm

That might seem a bit optimistic (and unrealistic) but its worth a thought.

Bravo 6 · #5 Aug 20, '12, 8:46 pm

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Originally Posted by edwest2

From the National Catholic register:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/dan-b...cation-at-work

Peace,
Ed

Very inspiring article.In my own opinion:I believe the only way to achieve such a feat of "Charlemagne proportion"is via ecclesiastical domestication;we have to clean up our own house[the Church];renegade priests,Catholic churches,institutions teaching other than that that they have received to pass on,seminaries,etc.We know from our own History and that of the Jews when God gives an instruction or a command it must be done His way,on His conditions.NO EXCEPTIONS.There's no alterations to His Divine will,until we conform completely,we will not gain His full blessing and it has been our downfall ever since.

The opposition is as strong as we allow them to be.BUT,there is no more fight left in us.It's hard enough dealing with those outside the Church only to turn around and deal with our own?We used to spend an hour a day in front of the tabernacle in adoration,now we're giving adoration to another tabernacle - The Television?I say with conviction that the devil is almost unemployed as he has his work(temptation)on auto-operation:we have allowed ourselves to wallow in this slump that is self-inflicted; without his help.Sleep indeed,he does.

We are at a stage of compromise and have been for many years now.To gain members we introduce popular music in churches to the compromise of tossing out sacred music (Gregorian Chants),have masses with liturgical dances rather than revered reverence, Sermons...???Whatever happened to saint stories,emphasizing the sacraments,Jewish heroes,etc,...I went to a church not my own parish and the sermon was about Bob Dylan's music?

Clean Up our own house before we look into others.This is the key.It certainly is the time to take out the garbage.

God bless,

JMJ

Catya · #6 Aug 20, '12, 9:15 pm

To Bravo6

I mean no disrespect to your post, just have a question about a single point you made, so please take it in the right spirit: what's wrong with a sermon on Bob Dylan's music? Jesus often spoke in parables that were set in the culture of his day - shouldn't priests follow his example?

I'm not necessarily a Dylan fan, but I do enjoy hearing what Fr. Barron has to say about the biblical reference and themes in Dylan's music.

rebeccanew · #7 Aug 20, '12, 10:11 pm

I think the Bishop in Arizona that withdrew Catholic affiliation from the facility for doing an abortion is on the right track. They are also changing the Catholic name of the facility. It is a big stand to take, but it is not the major function of the Church to be in healthcare. We need to stop and be grateful and give thanks for all we have and then go forth to show our Faith. If each one of us did this, the ripple effect would help The Holy Spirit to rekindle the faithful. Pope John Paul Ii said this is the springtime of the Church.

Hokomai · #8 Aug 21, '12, 1:58 am

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Originally Posted by SeanF1989

I believe bringing the West back to teh Church is possible but it will be long and hard. Western culture is now heavily influenced by far left wing views, feminism, gay rights, atheism and a fierce anti-Christian sentiment in films, books, magazines, television, music etc

Just look at Scandanavia and Portugal where death metal has become popular, just today some death metal fan from Portugal told me that Portugal is majority atheist and they hate the Church and American religious views. Then I was called subhuman.

Hmmm. More death metal, but no death penalty. Less religion, more respect for life.

SeanF1989 · #9 Aug 21, '12, 5:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Hokomai

Hmmm. More death metal, but no death penalty. Less religion, more respect for life.

How is abortion, euthanasia and eugenics respect for human life? Getting an abortion because the baby isn't perfect? Call it "woman's choice" all you want but the nations have a very poor view on human life. Letting murderers and rapists off with light jail terms doesn't mean they value life at all.

Birdguy1979 · #10 Aug 30, '12, 1:25 am

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Originally Posted by SeanF1989

How is abortion, euthanasia and eugenics respect for human life? Getting an abortion because the baby isn't perfect? Call it "woman's choice" all you want but the nations have a very poor view on human life. Letting murderers and rapists off with light jail terms doesn't mean they value life at all.

I forget who it was that said "Don't be average. If you are below average, someone will always take care of you. If you are above average you can take care of yourself. If you are just average, nobody will care." I know I got the quote wrong, but it is the same idea. Why would you want to sentence a child to be below average and have to deal with a life that we would not sentence our worst enemies to? Just because you can't see ending it. I'm sorry, but if there is no quality of life there is no point in living. Then if your religion is correct and they can't grasp the concept of god and Jesus, then you are also sentencing them to hell.

Catya · #11 Aug 30, '12, 7:25 am

Hi, I get that you're coming from a place of caring about handicapped people, but who can quantify whether or not a life is worth living? We all suffer in some way - which or what kind of suffering is greater?

BTW, some of the happiest people I know have Down's Syndrome. Many achieve a much higher level of functioning now than thought possible just one generation ago. They also GET the concept of God in a simple, yet profound way. Even those who can't grasp the concept of God (not easy for even the brightest among us) God loves them (and you).

teenphilo1 · #12 Aug 31, '12, 3:34 pm

Birdguy1979,

One of the happiest people I have seen in my life suffers from adrenoleukodystrophy. His brain essential ate away at itself so now he is legally blind AND partially paralyzed. Are you implying that leaving him to die on a hospital bed would have been the humane thing to do? Correct me if I'm wrong-- because I really don't want to be right.