Witnesses tell FBI that George Zimmerman is no racist

[vz71]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

Right, because it was never done. Maybe because there was no need for one which would reflect the minor injuries Zimmerman sustained.

Or it could simply mean that he refused ER treatment.

People do strange things, but in general, this happens a lot.

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by maryjk

Okay, you don't see it. But many people do.

Someone taller and stronger would have an easier time overpowering someone shorter and weaker. After a point, age is immaterial. Comparing a 17 year old football player to a 28 year old desk jockey and assuming that the desk jockey would come out on top simply because the 17 year old is a child is a foolish thought at best.

Hmmm, who told you that Trayvon was stronger than Zimmerman? Are you still making that based on height?

Their height difference is about this:

Does that make Trayvon stronger for you? How comes you ignore their weight--mass of the body? (And when I have more time, I am going to scientifically present the role weight would have played here.)

BTW, where did you get that Trayvon was a 17-year-old football player? Source?

Yes, at some point, age is immaterial. But that's usually amongst persons in the same age group. You just can't ignore the age difference between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. There is a big difference between a 17-year-old and a 28-year-old in almost all aspects.

[maryjk]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

Hmmm, who told you that Trayvon was stronger than Zimmerman? Are you still making that based on height?

I am making that judgement on many factors, one being height. Another being age, and I don't find a 28 year old desk jockey coming out on top compared to a 17 year old football player.

I don't see how you come to the conclusion that simply being older would make you fair better in a fight.

[seekerz]

Originally Posted by maryjk

I am making that judgement on many factors, one being height. Another being age, and I don't find a 28 year old desk jockey coming out on top compared to a 17 year old football player.

I don't see how you come to the conclusion that simply being older would make you fair better in a fight.

I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that a few inches would make Trayvon fare better than George.

The longevity of this thread proves that more of any one thing doesn't necessarily make the outcome any different...

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by maryjk

I am making that judgement on many factors, one being height. Another being age, and I don't find a 28 year old desk jockey coming out on top compared to a 17 year old football player.

I don't see how you come to the conclusion that simply being older would make you fair better in a fight.

You still didn't provide the source. Who told you that Trayvon was a 17-year-old football player?

What I have said is that, age matters here.(!) I am going to shed more light on that.

[vz71]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

You still didn't provide the source. Who told you that Trayvon was a 17-year-old football player?

Common knowledge.

CNN reported it as well as noted that he had been playing football since he was 5 years old.

NPR reported he was in Optimist league football.

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by vz71

Common knowledge.

CNN reported it as well as noted that he had been playing football since he was 5 years old.

NPR reported he was in Optimist league football.

Well if it's "common knowledge", is it that hard to provide a source?

What I guess is common knowledge is the picture of him in American football "gears", which was strongly criticised for reflecting a younger Trayvon Martin.

I want to see where it's mentioned that he played football at age 17. Because if that's not the case, then it's misleading to say so. I was somewhat into karate in my childhood. Saying that I am a karateist would be misleading.

On another board, someone said he was a star footballer. But another poster argued that he wasn't a star footballer but played "Optimist" football (as you rightly mentioned). Unfortunately, I pretty much don't know what "Optimist" football is. The point is, the post was meant to counteract the claim that he was a star footballer.

[vz71]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

Well if it's "common knowledge", is it that hard to provide a source?

You have your sources. CNN and NPR.

Originally Posted by kelvinf

What I guess is common knowledge is the picture of him in American football "gears", which was strongly criticised for reflecting a younger Trayvon Martin.

I have not seen this picture.
The picture I have always found critiqued was the airbrushed one that turned his skin to a lighter shade, reduced the size of his lips, and eliminated the shadows that the hoodie he was wearing created.

Originally Posted by kelvinf

I want to see where it's mentioned that he played football at age 17. Because if that's not the case, then it's misleading to say so. I was somewhat into karate in my childhood. Saying that I am a karateist would be misleading.

CNN interviewed people to write an article of what they want us to believe Trayvon was before the incident. Drug use was not mentioned.
But one of the people interviewed was listed as being a "fellow football player"
That and the listing that he played football from age five indicate that he was a football player from an early age and continued to be such.
If this is in error, I suggest the source is the problem.

Originally Posted by kelvinf

On another board, someone said he was a star footballer. But another poster argued that he wasn't a star footballer but played "Optimist" football (as you rightly mentioned). Unfortunately, I pretty much don't know what "Optimist" football is. The point is, the post was meant to counteract the claim that he was a star footballer.

It doesn't.
Whoever attempted that argument does not know what 'Optimist' football is.
The best I can tell from various Optimist football web pages is that it is simply a team not affiliated with a specific school but is instead organized at a neighborhood level.
It does not characterize skill level.

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by vz71

You have your sources. CNN and NPR.

By that, I meant something I could verify like a link to an article. Notwithstanding, I found something on CNN.

CNN interviewed people to write an article of what they want us to believe Trayvon was before the incident. Drug use was not mentioned.
But one of the people interviewed was listed as being a "fellow football player"
That and the listing that he played football from age five indicate that he was a football player from an early age and continued to be such.
If this is in error, I suggest the source is the problem.

Right, I found something like that on CNN. Another source says this:

It was a small gathering of people from the Optimist League. Trayvon Martin played football in the league from the age five until 14.

http://www.indianapolisrecorder.com/...a4bcf887a.html

It doesn't.
Whoever attempted that argument does not know what 'Optimist' football is.
The best I can tell from various Optimist football web pages is that it is simply a team not affiliated with a specific school but is instead organized at a neighborhood level.
It does not characterize skill level.

I think that was somewhat the point that the poster was making--because he played Optimist football did not mean he was a football star. But the poster really sounded like there was something more to Optimist football.

And my point is that, him playing football up to age 14 as I know, does not mean he had the strength to beat Zimmerman hands down as maryjk was trying to portray.

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by maryjk

I am making that judgement on many factors, one being height. Another being age, and I don't find a 28 year old desk jockey coming out on top compared to a 17 year old football player.

I don't see how you come to the conclusion that simply being older would make you fair better in a fight.

Just to add, don't forget that this 28-year-old desk jockey was aspiring to become a police officer. And it has been reported that he once did a 14-week citizens' police academy programme offered by the Seminole Sheriff's Department.

And this is what the programme looks like:
http://www.seminolesheriff.org/exter...spx?pageID=166
http://www.elkgrovepd.org/informatio...ns-academy.asp

So trying to paint him as a weak 28-year-old male holds no ground.(!) And I posted this on another thread:

Young/prime adulthood can be considered the healthiest time of life'[12] and young adults are generally in good health, subject neither to disease nor the problems of senescence. Biological function and physical performance reach their peak from 20–35 years of age, waning after 35. Strength peaks around 25 years of age, plateaus through 35 - 40 years of age, and then declines. Flexibility also decreases with age throughout adulthood. However, there are large individual differences and a fit 40-year-old may out-compete a sedentary 20-year-old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_adult_(psychology)

[estesbob]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

W But another poster argued that he wasn't a star footballer but played "Optimist" football (as you rightly mentioned). Unfortunately, I pretty much don't know what "Optimist" football is. The point is, the post was meant to counteract the claim that he was a star footballer.

I am not sure what Optimist football is but "optimist baseball" is a Houston astros fan

[kelvinf]

Originally Posted by estesbob

I am not sure what Optimist football is but "optimist baseball" is a Houston astros fan

But "Optimist xyz" should have a meaning; something I still don't understand.

[estesbob]

Originally Posted by kelvinf

But "Optimist xyz" should have a meaning; something I still don't understand.

The Optpmist club sponsors football leagues in many towns and cities