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Aug 10, '12, 11:55 am
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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Originally Posted by JackVk
Were His disciples the kind of people society would put up with? Let's see...
Matthew: shyster tax collector and traitor
Peter: Hotheaded roughneck fisherman
James and John: "Sons of thunder", aka grouchy
Mary Magdalene: (allegedly) a prostitute
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Which makes it even less likely that it happened. Even if people could provide arguments that prove God (I doubted they depend on classical logic that quantum physics undermines), the idea that this being loves us and knows are deepest evils is so ridiculous as to not have happened, it is incomprehensible.
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Aug 10, '12, 5:09 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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Which makes it even less likely that it happened. Even if people could provide arguments that prove God (I doubted they depend on classical logic that quantum physics undermines), the idea that this being loves us and knows are deepest evils is so ridiculous as to not have happened, it is incomprehensible.
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yes - the only thing crazier is if it isn't true. i can assure you it's true. it's a mystery, which is difficult.. and faith requires doubt.. so it's never easy - like who would think it would be - but it's true - He Is the Way, the Truth and the Light..
If you really want to know, just think about it and aske when you go to sleep at night. keep asking. you will get the answer. ask and you shall receive. it works. but you have to be open and honest.
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Aug 10, '12, 5:25 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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Originally Posted by JackVk
Were His disciples the kind of people society would put up with? Let's see...
Matthew: shyster tax collector and traitor
Peter: Hotheaded roughneck fisherman
James and John: "Sons of thunder", aka grouchy
Mary Magdalene: (allegedly) a prostitute
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Don't forget:
Judes thief and traitor
Thomas a questener
  
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Aug 10, '12, 8:00 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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yes - the only thing crazier is if it isn't true. i can assure you it's true. it's a mystery, which is difficult.. and faith requires doubt.. so it's never easy - like who would think it would be - but it's true - He Is the Way, the Truth and the Light..
If you really want to know, just think about it and aske when you go to sleep at night. keep asking. you will get the answer. ask and you shall receive. it works. but you have to be open and honest.
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emphasis mine
How is it crazier to not be true?
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Aug 10, '12, 10:14 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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emphasis mine
How is it crazier to not be true?
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it's like a lot of things... you just have to think about... if it isn't true then what is? think about it. how can our world exist? if the big bang was 3 billionths of a second slower the universe would have collapsed on itself. if it was 3 billionths of a second faster it would have blown apart irrevocably. 99.999997% of matter was consumed by anti-matter. the physical universe as we know it is made up of the remaining .000003%. water, why does it expand when frozen when everything else contracts. why does it exist in three states in such a narrow temperature range. the diameter of the earth, the distance from the sun... random. what are the odds? i think we are alone. if anyone else is out there - they are us, from another time.. maybe there are billions of times just like ther are billions of stars/space/probabilities... and that's just science. more importantly is salvation history (of course it's hard to go there if you don't believe). to me it is totally illogical for it not to be true. alli can say is trust me. wish i had more but if you get there yoy will understand and a white hot fire will burn in you
see stephen hawking (recent atheist, unfortunately, pray for him) and 'radically amazing' (judy cannato) ..
God be with you...
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Aug 10, '12, 10:23 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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it's like a lot of things... you just have to think about... if it isn't true then what is? think about it. how can our world exist? if the big bang was 3 billionths of a second slower the universe would have collapsed on itself. if it was 3 billionths of a second faster it would have blown apart irrevocably. 99.999997% of matter was consumed by anti-matter. the physical universe as we know it is made up of the remaining .000003%. water, why does it expand when frozen when everything else contracts. why does it exist in three states in such a narrow temperature range. the diameter of the earth, the distance from the sun... random. what are the odds? i think we are alone. if anyone else is out there - they are us, from another time.. maybe there are billions of times just like ther are billions of stars/space/probabilities... and that's just science. more importantly is salvation history (of course it's hard to go there if you don't believe). to me it is totally illogical for it not to be true. alli can say is trust me. wish i had more but if you get there yoy will understand and a white hot fire will burn in you
see stephen hawking (recent atheist, unfortunately, pray for him) and 'radically amazing' (judy cannato) ..
God be with you...
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So see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eNjmN9Xtmg for what science has to say.
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Aug 10, '12, 10:33 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
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not now, the wife and kids asleep... but i will take a look tomorrow. regardless, don't ask me, when you go to sleep, surrender, and ask God, you will get your answers, i guarantee it, if you are true and honest... i guarantee it... (actually i don't guarantee it, Jesus does, I just repeat it because it may seem more sincere, how ironic, i know first hand..)
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Aug 11, '12, 12:01 am
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
Jesus loves us all. If He didn't, he wouldn't have saved humanity
He also made Saint Peter the Pope, a man who rejected him previously. I think that shows Jesus never dislikes us
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If you're lost and need to be found
If you're looking for a Savior
All you gotta do is turn around
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Aug 11, '12, 2:12 pm
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Re: Did Jesus even like us? Would Jesus even like us?
exactly ^
The only thing you're not supposed to do is to mock the Holy Spirit. I don't remember chapter and verse but I know it's in our bible. Oh and also do not be ashamed of Jesus. If you are he will be ashamed of you also. But again I don't recall chapter and verse  So that's what I recall we're not supposed to do and other than that if we love him and keep and live his commandments we should be fine.
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