Metropolitan William Receives Pallium in Rome - Page 9

Vico · #**121** Sep 19, '12, 10:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Aramis

The head of a Sui Iuris church has precedence in processions - a position of honor, not of authority - over that of even a higher ranked ordinary who is not, according to the rules of precedence in the older editions of the Ceremonial for Bishops of the Roman Church. Only the territorial bishop and metropolitan hold higher precedence, and then only within their own see and province.

Because in the eastern churches the consularity of the synod is given heart. Yet the head of a sui iuris church does represent it juridically.

Peter J · #**122** Sep 20, '12, 3:41 am

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Originally Posted by Aramis

The head of a Sui Iuris church has precedence in processions - a position of honor, not of authority - over that of even a higher ranked ordinary who is not, according to the rules of precedence in the older editions of the Ceremonial for Bishops of the Roman Church. Only the territorial bishop and metropolitan hold higher precedence, and then only within their own see and province.

Ah, I think I have heard that before. (Like I said before, I'm a little rusty.)

So for example, Bishop Peter Fülöp Kocsis -- the head of the Hungarian Greek Catholic Church, an eparchial church sui iuris -- would have precedence in processions over a metropolitan (excepting if the metropolitan was also head of a sui iuris church, or in his own province) ... is that right?

Aramis · #**123** Sep 20, '12, 7:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Peter J

Ah, I think I have heard that before. (Like I said before, I'm a little rusty.)

So for example, Bishop Peter Fülöp Kocsis -- the head of the Hungarian Greek Catholic Church, an eparchial church sui iuris -- would have precedence in processions over a metropolitan (excepting if the metropolitan was also head of a sui iuris church, or in his own province) ... is that right?

Yep!

It's seldom an issue. Except in Rome.

Peter J · #**124** Sep 21, '12, 4:31 am

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Originally Posted by Aramis

Yep!

Thanks.

ByzCathCantor · #**125** Sep 21, '12, 5:07 am

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Originally Posted by Aramis

It's seldom an issue. Except in Rome.

True, but outside of Rome itself, one would see these principles in action at episcopal ordinations / enthronements when bishops gather. The very enthronement of Metropolitan William which preceeded the event referenced in the OP provides a good example, as may be seen from the processional at the beginning of the archived video of the Enthronement & Hierarchical Divine Liturgy.

Peter J · #**126** Sep 21, '12, 5:30 am

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Originally Posted by ByzCathCantor

True, but outside of Rome itself, one would see these principles in action at episcopal ordinations / enthronements when bishops gather. The very enthronement of Metropolitan William which preceeded the event referenced in the OP provides a good example, as may be seen from the processional at the beginning of the archived video of the Enthronement & Hierarchical Divine Liturgy.

That reminds me of a post, some years ago, that listed the hierarchs in procession at another such event. (I tried searching for the post, but came up empty.)