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Old Jul 3, '12, 8:09 pm
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Default The doxology- For thyn is the Kingdom?

As far as I know this doxology is not in the bible, nor is it part of the lord's prayer. However it is said in mass and it is only something that was added some time later after the gospels were written. However Protestants say it as part of the Our father " The Lord's prayer" Correct me if I'm wrong

Does anyone have more information about this? I have been wondering about this. Is there an addition into it in protestant bibles, and was it ever in Catholic bibles?
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As far as I know, Protestant bibles have lesser books than the Catholic ones because they don't want to include some books, stating those who authored the books are not 'enlightened'.
But as for verses, I don't know if they added more verses to the books already in the Catholic bible.
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It's not in the Bible as such, but it's been part of worship since the earliest centuries. The text we use is the one recorded in the Didache as being in use at that time.
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I wondered the same thing, because I know we did not use this text during the Mass before Vatican II. The following link gives a pretty accurate explanation of the history of the use of the doxology, "for Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever." or as we say in the current vernacular, "for the kingdom, the power and the glory are Yours now and forever. Amen." http://ourladyofsorrows.us/QotF/Doxology.htm I quote: "The doxology was first found in the important document called the "Didache," (written between 70-140 AD). “Didache” (Did-ah-kay) simply means 'teaching'. The “Our Father” in the Didache had the doxology tagged onto the end without the words “the kingdom”. The tradition of the doxology was carried into the Liturgy, and became so closely associated with the Lord's Prayer that it is now often mistaken to be part of the prayer itself. The words “the kingdom” were added later and are preserved in the document. " Hope this helps answer your question.
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I wondered the same thing, because I know we did not use this text during the Mass before Vatican II. The following link gives a pretty accurate explanation of the history of the use of the doxology, "for Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever." or as we say in the current vernacular, "for the kingdom, the power and the glory are Yours now and forever. Amen." http://ourladyofsorrows.us/QotF/Doxology.htm I quote: "The doxology was first found in the important document called the "Didache," (written between 70-140 AD). “Didache” (Did-ah-kay) simply means 'teaching'. The “Our Father” in the Didache had the doxology tagged onto the end without the words “the kingdom”. The tradition of the doxology was carried into the Liturgy, and became so closely associated with the Lord's Prayer that it is now often mistaken to be part of the prayer itself. The words “the kingdom” were added later and are preserved in the document. " Hope this helps answer your question.
The Latin rites (including the Roman) originally didn't use the doxology AFAIK. Before the OF was promulgated in 1970, use of it in the liturgy was almost exclusively an Eastern thing.
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Here is the doxology in action in the Eastern liturgies:
Priest, in a low voice: O God and Father of our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ, the Lord whose name is exalted, the blessed nature, the unstinted goodness, the God and Master of all, the One who Exists, blessed to the ages of ages, who sits upon the cherubim, and are glorified by the Seraphim, before whom stand thousand thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand armies of angels and archangels, accept as sweet fragrance the gifts, offerings and fruits here presented to you, by the grace of your Christ and the visitation of your all-holy Spirit.

Sanctify also, Master, our souls and bodies and spirits and touch our minds and search out our consciences, and cast out from us every evil thought, every impure idea, every base desire and memory, every unseemly word, all envy, pride and hypocrisy, every lie, every deceit, every worldly temptation, all greed, all vainglory, all wickedness, all wrath, all anger, all malice, all blasphemy, and all sloth, every motion of flesh and spirit that is alien to the will of your holiness,
(aloud) and make us worthy, Master, Lord who loves mankind, with confidence and without condemnation, with a pure heart, enlightened soul, face unashamed, lips that are sanctified, to dare to call upon you, the holy heavenly God, 'Father,' and to say:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...

Priest, in a low voice: "And do not lead us into temptation" that we cannot endure, Lord, Lord of powers, who know our weakness, but "deliver us from the evil one" and from his works, and from all his influence and guile, for the sake of your holy name, that has been invoked upon our lowliness, (aloud) for yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and for ever and to the ages of ages.

People: Amen.
- Divine Liturgy of Saint James
Priest, in a low voice: Our God, the God who saves, you teach us justly to thank you for the good things which you have done and still do for us. You are our God who has accepted these Gifts. Cleanse us from every defilement of flesh and spirit, and teach us how to live in holiness by your fear, so that receiving the portion of your holy Gifts with a clear conscience we may be united with the holy Body and Blood of your Christ. Having received them worthily, may we have Christ dwelling in our hearts, and may we become the temple of your Holy Spirit.

Yes, our God, let none of us be guilty before these, your awesome and heavenly Mysteries, nor be infirm in body and soul by partaking of them unworthily. But enable us, even up to our last breath, to receive a portion of your holy Gifts worthily, as provision for eternal life and as an acceptable defense at the awesome judgment seat of your Christ. So that we also, together with all the saints who through the ages have pleased you, may become partakers of your eternal good things, which you, Lord, have prepared for those who love you,
(aloud) and make us worthy, Master, with confidence and without fear of condemnation, to dare call you, the heavenly God, 'Father,' and to say:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...

Priest: For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and for ever and to the ages of ages.

People: Amen.
- Divine Liturgy of Saint Basil
Priest, in a low voice: We entrust to you, loving Master, our whole life and hope, and we ask, pray, and entreat: make us worthy to partake of your heavenly and awesome Mysteries from this holy and spiritual Table with a clear conscience; for the remission of sins, forgiveness of transgressions, communion of the Holy Spirit, inheritance of the kingdom of heaven, confidence before you, and not in judgment or condemnation, (aloud) and make us worthy, Master, with confidence and without fear of condemnation, to dare call you, the heavenly God, 'Father,' and to say:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...

Priest: For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory, of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and for ever and to the ages of ages.

People: Amen.
- Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom
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Priest, in a low voice: God of truth and Father of mercy, we thank you, who have exalted our nature, condemned as we were, above that of the blessed patriarchs; for you were called God to them, whereas in compassion you have been pleased to be named Father to us. And now, O Lord, we beseech you, make the grace of so new and precious a naming of yourself shine forth and flourish day by day in your holy Church, (aloud) and grant us to open our mouths with cry of bold voice, to call upon you, O heavenly Father, to sing and say:

Choir: Our Father, who art in heaven...

Priest, in a low voice: Lord of lords, God of gods, King eternal, Creator of all creatures, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, give us not over for trial, but deliver us from evil and save us from temptation, (aloud) for yours is the kingdom and the power and glory to the ages, Amen.
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Priest: O Master, Lord our God, the great and the eternal, who are wondrous in glory; who keeps His covenant and His mercy to them who love Him with all their heart; who has given to us redemption from sins through His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, the life of everyone, the help of those who flee to Him, the hope of those who cry to Him. Before whom stand thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousands of holy angels and archangels, the cherubim and the seraphim and all the innumerable host of the heavenly powers.
O God, who has sanctified these gifts which are set fourth, through the coming down upon them of your Holy Spirit, you have purified them. Purify us also, our Master, from our sins, the hidden and manifest; and every thought which is not pleasing to your goodness, God who loves mankind, may it be far from us. Purify our souls, our bodies, our spirits, our hearts, our eyes, our understanding, our thoughts and our consciences, so that with a pure heart, and enlightened soul, and unashamed face, a faith unfeigned, a perfect love, and firm hope, we may dare with boldness without fear to pray to you, O God the holy Father who are in the heavens and say: Our Father...

People: Our Father who art in heaven...but deliver us from evil.
In Christ Jesus our Lord.
For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever. Amen.

Priest, in a low voice: Yes, we ask you, O good Father, who loves goodness, lead us not into temptation, nor let any iniquity get the rule over us but deliver us from worthless works and form the thoughts, motions, sights and touch thereof. Destroy the tempter and drive him away. Rebuke also his movements implanted in us, and cut off from us all impulses which drag us into sin. And deliver us by your holy power, in Christ Jesus, our Lord, through whom the glory, the honour, the dominion, and adoration are due unto you, with Him and the Holy Spirit the Lifegiver, who is of one essence with you now, and at all times, and to the age of all ages. Amen.
- Coptic Liturgy of St. Basil
Priest: O God our Father, our Consoler and Comforter in our weakness, we implore you to purify us from every stain of evil and sin and to accept the offerings presented to you for our failings, so that together we may call upon you with one voice, praying and saying:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...For yours is the kingdom...

Priest: O gracious Lord, lead us into trials and temptations, for we do not have the strength to bear them; rather, in your infinite mercy, deliver us from affliction and anger. To you belong the power and the kingdom, and we will glorify and thank you, O Father, your only Son, and your Holy Spirit, now and for ever,
Amen.
- Maronite Anaphora of St. Peter
Priest: O Compassionate and merciful Lord, praised, and honored above all, grant us to say with purity and holiness:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...For yours is the kingdom...

Priest: Forsake us not, O Lord, Lover of All, lest trials overwhelm us, but deliver us from the evil one and his misleading ways, for the kingdom belongs to you, to your only Son, and to your living and Holy Spirit, now and for ever,
Amen.
- Maronite Anaphora of the Twelve Apostles
Priest, in a low voice: Pardon in your compassion, O my Lord, the sins and offenses of your servants, and hallow our lips in your loving-kindness, that they may yield the fruits of glory to your exalted Godhead with all your saints in your kingdom, (aloud) and make us worthy, our Lord, and our God, to stand before you continually without spot, with a pure heart and with confidence; and with the liberty which is from you, through the mercies given to us, that we may all equally cry out and say in this manner:

People: Our Father, who art in heaven...For yours is the kingdom...

Priest: O Lord God of hosts, our good God and our merciful Father, we beseech you and supplicate the abundance of your mercy, "do not," my Lord, "bring us to the test, but deliver us from the Evil One" and his hosts, for yours is the kingdom, power, might, strength, and dominion, in heaven and on earth, now, and ever, and to the ages of ages, Amen.
- The Holy Qurbana of Addai and Mari
Priest: O God our Master, Father of light, Author of eternal life, Creator of grace, Founder of worlds, Giver of knowledge, Treasury of wisdom, Teacher of holiness, Receiver of pure prayers, Benefactor of the soul, who gives to the faint-hearted who trust in you those things into which the Angels desire to look; who has raised us from the abyss to light, who has given us life from death, who has granted us freedom from slavery, who has dissolved the darkness of sin within us by the coming of your only-begotten Son; now also, O Lord, by the indwelling of your Holy Spirit enlighten the eyes of our understanding, that we may without condemnation partake of this immortal and heavenly food; and sanctify us wholly, in body, soul, and spirit, that with your holy disciples and apostles we may say to you this prayer: Our Father, who art in heaven, etc. (aloud) And grant us, O Master, Lord who loves mankind, with boldness, and without condemnation, with pure heart, enlightened soul, face unashamed, and sanctified lips to make bold to call upon you, the holy God in heaven, as our Father, and to say:

Choir: Our Father, who art in heaven...

Priest (secretly): Yes, Lord, "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil," for your great mercy knows that we through our great infirmity are unable to resist; but make with the temptation also a way of escape, that we might be able to withstand, for you have given us power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and on all the might of the enemy, (aloud) for yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever and to the ages of ages, Amen.
- Divine Liturgy of St. Mark

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Does anyone have more information about this? I have been wondering about this. Is there an addition into it in protestant bibles, and was it ever in Catholic bibles?
It's in the Bibles that follow the Textus Receptus. The two main ones being the KJV and the NKJV. It's found in some earlier manuscripts, but not in others.
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