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hazcompat · #1 Jun 22, '12, 5:10 am

Does your bishop have the authority to alter the TLM?

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hazcompat · #2 Jun 22, '12, 5:51 am

No takers?

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hazcompat · #3 Jun 22, '12, 6:18 am

2 Timothy 3:5 habentes speciem quidem pietatis, virtutem autem eius abnegantes. Et hos devita:

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hazcompat · #4 Jun 22, '12, 6:34 am

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T More · #5 Jun 22, '12, 6:54 am

The Council of Trent speaks about this. The answer is no. We have bishops that have altered the NO, however.

corsair · #6 Jun 22, '12, 8:31 am

I agree with T More. With the OF Mass he can alter the postures to some extent. But not the words. I would hope that no Bishop would even begin to mess with the TLM. Not sure what the reactions would be.

hazcompat · #7 Jun 22, '12, 9:36 am

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I agree with T More. With the OF Mass he can alter the postures to some extent. But not the words. I would hope that no Bishop would even begin to mess with the TLM. Not sure what the reactions would be.

When, in time, did the unalterable form form?

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MarkThompson · #8 Jun 22, '12, 10:16 am

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Does your bishop have the authority to alter the TLM?

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They would, and traditionally did (this is how organic development of the liturgy and the flourishing of local uses and traditions proceeded across the centuries), but since at least 1570 the Holy See has reserved almost all of that power to itself, which is the prerogative of the pope as the supreme authority in the Church.

TS Aquinas · #9 Jun 22, '12, 10:41 am

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Originally Posted by hazcompat

Does your bishop have the authority to alter the TLM?

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According to Quo Primum of St. Pius V, he'll incur the wrath of God if he does. Only the Holy Father is not bound by this Apostolic Constitution. The only changes that can happen are changes approved at the Papal level, though 'changes' in this regard has never meant removal or revamp but minute additions and/or micro-changes to existing prayers. This does not apply to the modern OF.

**ProVobis** · #10 Jun 22, '12, 11:11 am

The 1962 liturgical books can't be changed.

Otherwise they would no longer be the 1962 liturgical books.

hazcompat · #11 Jun 22, '12, 1:26 pm

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Originally Posted by ProVobis

The 1962 liturgical books can't be changed.

Otherwise they would no longer be the 1962 liturgical books.

is there a good source for the 1570 missal?

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**ProVobis** · #12 Jun 22, '12, 1:33 pm

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Originally Posted by hazcompat

is there a good source for the 1570 missal?

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Try this. It was set up by a former member of CAF.

hazcompat · #13 Jun 22, '12, 2:37 pm

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Try this. It was set up by a former member of CAF.

thank you. i was surfing for hours. exactly what i needed.

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**thistle** · #14 Jun 24, '12, 4:14 am

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Originally Posted by hazcompat

Does your bishop have the authority to alter the TLM?

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Certainly not your Bishop.

However, the form of the Mass comes under disciplinary law and is not a doctrine so it can be changed. The only things in a Mass that cannot be changed are the words of consecration and the priest receiving Communion. Everything else could be changed.