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Old Feb 7, '14, 3:10 pm
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Atheists dont care if it's Mormonism, Catholicism, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish etc etc etc.

The fall out has the slippery slope potential of being about religion in general. Not Mormonism specifically.

And most former Mormon do NOT got back to Christian roots. MOST become atheists or at the very least, agnostic. I know I did.
I agree. Atheists don't believe in God, period. If they feel like they're on to something by discrediting mormonism, or even just make it look foolish and false on a worldwide scale, then there is potential for other religious bodies to experience a backlash from this. As far as they're concerned, all religions are ridiculous and false, so why stop with the LDS church?
As for mormonism itself goes, I myself don't believe Smith was a prophet, I don't believe a restoration was needed, therefore I don't believe in any of their claims or doctrines. And as much as I would love to see some of my good LDS friends and neighbors convert, THIS is not the way to do it. THIS scenario is bad news for all who believe in God.
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Atheists dont care if it's Mormonism, Catholicism, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish etc etc etc.

The fall out has the slippery slope potential of being about religion in general. Not Mormonism specifically.

And most former Mormon do NOT got back to Christian roots. MOST become atheists or at the very least, agnostic. I know I did.
And then you became Catholic.
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And then you became Catholic.
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And then you became Catholic.
I had a Catholic background, however, and a faithful grandmother whom I know did laps around the Rosary for me. And had many Masses said for me.

I was never militant in my agnosticism however.

Im not sure how many here have seen just how militantly atheistic former Mormons can be. Esp those who leave because they discovered the truth about it's past.

I didnt leave for those reasons. I left simple because I know longer believed its basic foundational doctrines, thus I did not leave angry and bitter. And it didnt destroy my family nor rip me apart from them.

I am unusual in my journey out of Mormonism
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Old Feb 8, '14, 9:35 am
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I was atheist, of the nihilist, humanist kind. I was heading towards militant, which incorporates both nihilism and humanism. It is a terrible force, and I recognize it when I see it.

But here I am, Catholic. I see faith as a miracle. Not just my own, but anyone, no matter their religious background. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Just made me think of an older Mormon publication, "Faith Precedes the Miracle". No, no my dear Mormon friends, faith in Christ (not Joseph Smith) is the miracle. All else comes from that one miracle.
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And then you became Catholic.
When I left lds, I never became agnostic or atheist. I was never foolish enough to think that just because I was fooled or that js was a false prophet that it somehow meant there was no God. I went from lds to Christian. 12 years later I became Catholic Christian.

That is not to say those who did were foolish. It is to say that, in my mind, js being false did not mean there was no God
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Thanks LW.

BTW, do you have any contact with the Mormons of your recent LDS past? Any reaction from them on this?
I haven't talked to them about this, and it hasn't come up.
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Here is the explanation from the German Bishops. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/1204008.htm
Thanks for sharing. This is very helpful for the context. I do find it interesting that the tax was enacted to compensate the Catholic Church for property that was previously seized by the German government. That is a very important fact.
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I'm a former Mormon become Catholic after toying with Evangelical Protestantism. I don't think it is all that unusual. Unfortunately, my wife and children are still Mormon, but we all get along. There are times when Mormons and Catholics can work together especially when threatened by atheism and immorality.
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Let's keep links to other discussion forums, especially if they are from banned members out of the discussion.
No biggie, just keep them to their own playground.
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Thanks for sharing. This is very helpful for the context. I do find it interesting that the tax was enacted to compensate the Catholic Church for property that was previously seized by the German government. That is a very important fact.
That part is strange. The German government seizes Catholic property and then taxes Catholics as compensation? Who made that deal? LOL.
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That part is strange. The German government seizes Catholic property and then taxes Catholics as compensation? Who made that deal? LOL.
The Lutherans? It is a strange deal, and not a very fair one, in my mind. If the state is going to compensate for property seized by the government, then everyone should pay for it.
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The church tax in Germany winds up being about 1.8 percent of a person's income so it isn't that much money. I am not sure how they would enforce a ban on penance or taking the Eucharist.
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