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Old Jul 13, '12, 4:08 pm
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Not to change the subject, but for many years I've been in the habit of referring to those Catholic churches that use the Byzantine Rite (e.g. Melkite, BCC, UGCC, etc.) as “Eastern Catholic Churches”, and the other non-Latin Catholic churches (Maronite, Chaldean, Coptic, etc.) as “Oriental Catholic Churches”. Is this terminology standard?

The reason I was thinking about this just now, is that it might be for this reason that I have tended to think of the Melkite Church and the Maronite Church as though they don't have anything to do with each other.
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Perhaps I misread it and its successor posts too (in quite the opposite way). I guess we'll see.

My apologies, I meant that the idea that Melkites represent any sort of "pure Antiochian tradition" that anyone should imitate is nonsense, and that Maronites should not blindly follow even the best of us (or the Antiochians, or the Greeks, or the Russians...) If Maronites want "liturgical reform" they should look carefully to their own traditon and spirituality.

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Old Jul 14, '12, 1:34 am
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Not to change the subject, but for many years I've been in the habit of referring to those Catholic churches that use the Byzantine Rite (e.g. Melkite, BCC, UGCC, etc.) as “Eastern Catholic Churches”, and the other non-Latin Catholic churches (Maronite, Chaldean, Coptic, etc.) as “Oriental Catholic Churches”. Is this terminology standard?
Although Rome makes no such official distinction, (e.g., the CCEO is formally titled "Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium") "Eastern" vs "Oriental" has become a standard way of differentiating Byzantines and non-Byzantines in English.


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My apologies, I meant that the idea that Melkites represent any sort of "pure Antiochian tradition" that anyone should imitate is nonsense, and that Maronites should not blindly follow even the best of us (or the Antiochians, or the Greeks, or the Russians...)
Thanks for the clarification. Sorry that I misread the original intent.

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If Maronites want "liturgical reform" they should look carefully to their own traditon and spirituality.
One can only hope against hope, but based on the evidence, it looks like that ship has sailed into the wrong sea (and I don't mean a Byzantine sea either).
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So is this the point where I start a thread on Syriacization, and then we can actually bemoan that an "-ization" isn't happening? That could be fun for a few seconds...
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Old Jul 14, '12, 5:57 am
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So is this the point where I start a thread on Syriacization, and then we can actually bemoan that an "-ization" isn't happening? That could be fun for a few seconds...
Let's not forget Bueller: Izations in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ization, he should believe in himself.
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