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Old Jan 11, '17, 9:47 pm
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Paragraph 1463 of the CCC states that there are certain sins that could result in excommunication. What are some examples of these?
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Paragraph 1463 of the CCC states that there are certain sins that could result in excommunication. What are some examples of these?
  • accomplices without whose assistance a violation of a law prescribing latae sententiae excommunication would not have been committed, CIC Can. 1329,
  • an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic, CIC Can. 1364,
  • a person who throws away the consecrated Eucharistic species or takes and retains them for a sacrilegious purpose, CIC Can. 1367,
  • a person who uses physical force against the Pope, CIC Can. 1370,
  • a priest who absolves an accomplice in a sin against the commandment against adultery, CIC Can. 1378,
  • a bishop who ordains someone a bishop without a papal mandate, and the person who receives the ordination from him, CIC Can. 1382,
  • a confessor who directly violates the sacramental seal of confession, CIC Can. 1388,
  • a person who procures a completed abortion, CIC Can. 1398.
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a priest who absolves an accomplice in a sin against the commandment against adultery, CIC Can. 1378
I've heard of this before but what exactly does it mean?
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I've heard of this before but what exactly does it mean?
Easy Peasy.

1. Priest has illicit affair with parishioner.
2. Parishioner confesses this affair to the same priest with whom she's having the affair.
3. Priest absolves his girlfriend.
4. Priest is automatically excommunicated for doing this.
5. Absolution is invalid; guilt for the querida remains.
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Easy Peasy.

1. Priest has illicit affair with parishioner.
2. Parishioner confesses this affair to the same priest with whom she's having the affair.
3. Priest absolves his girlfriend.
4. Priest is automatically excommunicated for doing this.
5. Absolution is invalid; guilt for the querida remains.
same goes if this was a same-sex liaison.
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I've heard of this before but what exactly does it mean?
CIC 1378 applies (per the CDF) to attempted female ordination, and also to:
  • Can. 977 The absolution of an accomplice in a sin against the sixth commandment of the Decalogue is invalid except in danger of death.
Example here: http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showme...=&Pgnu=&recnu=

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Mechanically recording or divulging by a technical instrument in the communications media what was said by either a confessor or a penitent in a sacramental confession, whether performed by oneself or by another (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Urbis et Orbis, 23 September AAS 80 (1988): 1367).
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Paragraph 1463 of the CCC states that there are certain sins that could result in excommunication. What are some examples of these?
ABORTION for sure

2271 "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes".

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

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Paragraph 1463 of the CCC states that there are certain sins that could result in excommunication. What are some examples of these?
Ferendae Sententiae Excommunication (requires formal proceedings):

Canon 1378: The pretended celebration of the Eucharist or of sacramental Confession
Canon 1388: Violation of the seal of Confession by an interpreter


Latae Sententiae Excommunication (automatic):

Canon 1364: Apostasy, heresy or schism
Canon 1367: Violation of the Sacred Species
Canon 1370: Laying violent hands on the Pope
Canon 1378: Absolution of an accomplice
Canon 1382: Episcopal consecration without authorization from the Holy See
Canon 1388: Violation of the seal of Confession by a confessor
Canon 1398: Procuring abortion
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I've heard of this before but what exactly does it mean?

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a priest who absolves an accomplice in a sin against the commandment against adultery, CIC Can. 1378
That if a priest is having sexual relationships with someone, he is excommunicated if he attempts to absolve them from that sin.
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Canon 1398: Procuring abortion

A question about that. I know a woman who, sadly, had an abortion as a teenager. I also know of more than one man who in their younger days, participated in procuring an abortion (set it up, drove their girlfriend to the clinic, etc.). If any of these were to go to a priest and confessed that sin would they no longer be excommunicated? At what point can that be forgiven? As far as I understand, no sin (past the sin against the Holy Spirit) is unforgivable. So how does that work?
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Canon 1398: Procuring abortion

A question about that. I know a woman who, sadly, had an abortion as a teenager. I also know of more than one man who in their younger days, participated in procuring an abortion (set it up, drove their girlfriend to the clinic, etc.). If any of these were to go to a priest and confessed that sin would they no longer be excommunicated? At what point can that be forgiven? As far as I understand, no sin (past the sin against the Holy Spirit) is unforgivable. So how does that work?

If the priest has been given the authority within the context of the Sacrament of Penance to remit the penalty of automatic excommunication, then that may be done in addition to granting absolution for the sin. It may be delegated to the priest by the Bishop.

Read EWTN article on this here (excerpt):
To actually incur the excommunication one must know that it is an excommunicable offense at the time of the abortion. Canon 1323 provides that the following do not incur a sanction, those who are not yet 16, are unaware of a law, do not advert to it or are in error about its scope, were forced or had an unforeseeable accident, acted out of grave fear, or who lacked the use of reason (except culpably, as by drunkenness). Thus a woman forced by an abusive husband to have an abortion would not incur an excommunication, for instance, whereas someone culpably under the influence of drugs or alcohol would (canon 1325).

In any case, whether one has been excommunicated or not, the sin of abortion must be confessed as the taking of innocent human life (5th Commandment). If the penitent did not know about this law at the time of the abortion then he or she was NOT excommunicated. If the person knew about the law but there were extenuating circumstances (such as mentioned above concerning c. 1323) then these factors should be mentioned to the confessor. He will say whether he has the faculty from the bishop to absolve from this excommunication or whether he even needs to. If he does not, he will privately and secretly obtain absolution from the bishop or send the person to a confessor who has that power.

A person who believes they have been excommunicated must refrain from Holy Communion until both absolution for the sin and absolution for the excommunication has been given.

One complicating factor for anyone in this situation is that intentionally withholding mortal sin (abortion) or knowledge of one's excommunication invalidates ALL the absolutions for other sins given since the time of the intentionally overlooked sin.
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ferendae sententiae excommunication (requires formal proceedings):

Canon 1378: The pretended celebration of the eucharist or of sacramental confession
canon 1388: Violation of the seal of confession by an interpreter


latae sententiae excommunication (automatic):

Canon 1364: Apostasy, heresy or schism
canon 1367: Violation of the sacred species
canon 1370: Laying violent hands on the pope
canon 1378: Absolution of an accomplice
canon 1382: Episcopal consecration without authorization from the holy see
canon 1388: Violation of the seal of confession by a confessor
canon 1398: Procuring abortion
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