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Z1Z2 · #**136** May 14, '12, 5:17 pm

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Originally Posted by SwizzleStick

Wow. Those people are NUTS? Infants are horrible?

I'm speechless at your comments.

The baby stage IS awful for some parents! Ever have an infant with reflux so bad she won't eat? (14.5 lbs at 1 year) Ever have a child with so many doctors' appointments the first year that only now, years later, do you have enough vacation time to actualy TAKE a vacation? Ever have a child who did not sleep through the night until kindergarten? I could go on and on. Just because infancy was fun for YOU does not make it a universal experience!! I am speechless at your rush to judge things you likely don't have the first bit of experience in.

SwizzleStick · #**137** May 14, '12, 5:44 pm

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Wow. Those people are NUTS? Infants are horrible?

I'm speechless at your comments.

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The baby stage IS awful for some parents! Ever have an infant with reflux so bad she won't eat? (14.5 lbs at 1 year) Ever have a child with so many doctors' appointments the first year that only now, years later, do you have enough vacation time to actualy TAKE a vacation? Ever have a child who did not sleep through the night until kindergarten? I could go on and on. Just because infancy was fun for YOU does not make it a universal experience!! I am speechless at your rush to judge things you likely don't have the first bit of experience in.

I didn't rush to judge anything. What I did was express shock at the word choice. Your word choice of "The baby stage IS awful for some parents!" is quite a different statement than "Infants are horrible!," which is the word choice LaSainte used. I recognize that she is exhausted and stressed and I offered prayer. (See my post quoted below.) I also recognize that the infant stage is difficult and maybe even awful for some parents, but the statement "Infants are horrible!" was a bit shocking to me when I read it and I expressed my shock. Why are you angry at that? I'm sorry that is your reaction, there is really no need for that.

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No, but I do understand a little bit. I did have a colicky baby that didn't sleep well, but he did sleep some. He very consistently cried and screamed for about 3 hours straight every night from about 3 weeks old to about 4 months old.

My daughter climbed out of her crib during her nap one day at 18-months old. She never had another nap once she moved to her big girl bed. My son was born when she was 2. She used to get up in the middle of the night and sit beside me as I nursed him so I had to get both of them back to bed and back to sleep. None of my kids ever slept much. I was a bit envious of my sister's kids who took 3 and 4 hour naps EVERY DAY. I couldn't believe it when hers slept half the day away when mine didn't nap or sleep much at all. Ever. Even at night. The older two are sleeping a bit more than when they were little now that they are teens, go figure. (I know that isn't unusual, teens need a lot of rest.)

I think you are very stressed and just exhausted. I do remember that you have had concerns or taken issue with the Church's teachings on contraception/sterilization/NFP for quite awhile, so I'm sure that doesn't help your stress level. In any event, I do hope your little one sleeps through the night soon so you can get some rest and that that helps reduce your stress level. I'll pray for you and your family.

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...Just because infancy was fun for YOU does not make it a universal experience!! ...

Actually, I don't remember if infancy was fun for me because, first of all, I was an infant, and second of all, it was quite awhile ago for me.

Sorry. I couldn't resist. A bit of levity never hurts.

Z1Z2 · #**138** May 14, '12, 6:29 pm

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Your word choice of "The baby stage IS awful for some parents!" is quite a different statement than "Infants are horrible!,"

yes, different word choice, but I am giving LaSainte the benefit of the doubt as to whether our meaning is the same.

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Why are you angry at that?

Because I sympathize with women who don't love every minute of taking care of infants, and I gave her the benefit if the doubt as to her meaning.

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I'm sorry that is your reaction, there is really no need for that.

No need for what? To express my opinion? If you can express an opinion, how come I can't?

SwizzleStick · #**139** May 14, '12, 6:55 pm

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yes, different word choice, but I am giving LaSainte the benefit of the doubt as to whether our meaning is the same. ...

Words have meaning. The two statements were very different.

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...Because I sympathize with women who don't love every minute of taking care of infants, and I gave her the benefit if the doubt as to her meaning. ...

I took her words to be pretty harsh, though I realize they were probably chosen due to stress and exhaustion.

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...No need for what? To express my opinion? If you can express an opinion, how come I can't?

No need for anger. I thought I was clear. You posted an angry face.

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... Why are you angry at that? I'm sorry that is your reaction, there is really no need for that. ...

LaSainte · #**140** May 14, '12, 7:42 pm

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you're right you don't have to have a bunch of kids to have a wonderful, blessed life, even if you are able to have 6 or 8 or more. I will never believe that just because a family has more than 3 children that they are less blessed than one with many more. Some families are happy with 2 and work well...there is no teaching saying you have to have as many kids as you can...if you and your spouse feel one or two or whatever number are the number you can handle you don't need to feel required to have more. I really hope you're able to enjoy those you have... I will always believe when you feel you can only be responsible for a certain number of kids be that zero or twelve that that's how many you should stop at. Better to have two wonderfully cared for kids with a content and happy set of parents than twice that number with parents who are completely stressed and miserable all the time. (Not saying that larger families are all this way...nothing disparaging meant about ANY size family)
God bless,
Rye

Thanks! My feelings exactly!

LaSainte · #**141** May 14, '12, 7:55 pm

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yes, different word choice, but I am giving LaSainte the benefit of the doubt as to whether our meaning is the same.

Because I sympathize with women who don't love every minute of taking care of infants, and I gave her the benefit if the doubt as to her meaning.

No need for what? To express my opinion? If you can express an opinion, how come I can't?

Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. I was speaking from my personal experience with my kids. They were TERRIBLE when they were infants

I'm sure the poor little things had tummy aches and reflux and all that, but NOTHING worked with these kids! It was months before I could wake up and not feel like crying. It wasn't just PPD, it was sheer exhaustion, frustration, anger at myself and even my babies. A terrible time.