Are Catholic leadership nuns acting as gay "beards"?

[nordskoven]

After Vatican II, many traditional nuns were bullied into putting off their habits, some even having to have recourse to canon law to avoid various disciplines and censures from liberal sisters. Some nuns tinkered with the "Our Father" by replacing "father" with "mother" and openly lobbied for women priests. In that same era, conservative priests were gradually moved out and put in backwater parishes. Ironically, nuns were gradually being edged out of roles increasingly taken over by effeminate types, like liturgical directors and others. This wall of separation where parish and diocesan collaboration once thrived understandably upset nuns who were frustrated, many nuns seeking greater clout in the Church by any means. But the only causes that gained nuns traction by the liberal ecclesiastical milieu were liberal causes and now, even anti-Church causes.

But was it because around that same time many homosexuals were welcomed into seminaries. One young man in 70's Kansas City came blasting out of his local seminary because they were way too gay. In this milieu of liberal nuns gaining control of convents, and with pro-homosexual influences spreading as later sex scandals showed, has the modern leadership of Catholic nuns been used as "beards" to forward openly active homosexual prelates? This is the agenda that was expressed in the pornographic "St. Sebastian's Angels" website for actively homosexual priests.

http://www.seattlecatholic.com/artic...ebastians.html

The "St. Sebastian's Angels" view was to gain acceptance for actively homosexual priests by first encouraging married Roman Rite priests; women priests (as if woman could atone for the "Sin of Adam") and then they believed acceptance of openly homosexual priests would be swiftly adopted. Our story so far: liberal nuns oust conservative nuns from control; effemi-nazi types edge even liberal nuns out of jobs and responsibilities they once held as nuns were walled off from influence; leaving the only avenue of acceptance and influence as one in which liberal nuns must support the gay agenda, LGBTQ. These nuns are being used as "beards" or gay camouflage by those St. Sebastian's Angels-types who support openly gay everything.

There has been a sifting and sorting to erase the unity of that broad-spectrum of consecrated religious, priests and nuns alike, to shape a divisive wedge. Gotta give the devil his due...May WE be faithful and true, and as wise as serpents and harmless as doves and send these wolves to devour themselves like Gideon's few good men did in turning their enemies against themselves, please God.

[3DOCTORS]

Have you read either of the following:

Ungodly Rage by Donna Steichen (I wish she'd do a followup book but even though it was from the late 80s, it's still relevant)

Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose

I think you'd find these interesting and relevant to what you're describing.

[RobbyS]

Originally Posted by nordskoven

After Vatican II, many traditional nuns were bullied into putting off their habits, some even having to have recourse to canon law to avoid various disciplines and censures from liberal sisters. Some nuns tinkered with the "Our Father" by replacing "father" with "mother" and openly lobbied for women priests. In that same era, conservative priests were gradually moved out and put in backwater parishes. Ironically, nuns were gradually being edged out of roles increasingly taken over by effeminate types, like liturgical directors and others. This wall of separation where parish and diocesan collaboration once thrived understandably upset nuns who were frustrated, many nuns seeking greater clout in the Church by any means. But the only causes that gained nuns traction by the liberal ecclesiastical milieu were liberal causes and now, even anti-Church causes.

But was it because around that same time many homosexuals were welcomed into seminaries. One young man in 70's Kansas City came blasting out of his local seminary because they were way too gay. In this milieu of liberal nuns gaining control of convents, and with pro-homosexual influences spreading as later sex scandals showed, has the modern leadership of Catholic nuns been used as "beards" to forward openly active homosexual prelates? This is the agenda that was expressed in the pornographic "St. Sebastian's Angels" website for actively homosexual priests.

http://www.seattlecatholic.com/artic...ebastians.html

The "St. Sebastian's Angels" view was to gain acceptance for actively homosexual priests by first encouraging married Roman Rite priests; women priests (as if woman could atone for the "Sin of Adam") and then they believed acceptance of openly homosexual priests would be swiftly adopted. Our story so far: liberal nuns oust conservative nuns from control; effemi-nazi types edge even liberal nuns out of jobs and responsibilities they once held as nuns were walled off from influence; leaving the only avenue of acceptance and influence as one in which liberal nuns must support the gay agenda, LGBTQ. These nuns are being used as "beards" or gay camouflage by those St. Sebastian's Angels-types who support openly gay everything.

There has been a sifting and sorting to erase the unity of that broad-spectrum of consecrated religious, priests and nuns alike, to shape a divisive wedge. Gotta give the devil his due...May WE be faithful and true, and as wise as serpents and harmless as doves and send these wolves to devour themselves like Gideon's few good men did in turning their enemies against themselves, please God.

There is also the push to have “gay marriages” in the Church. They are pushing for the Church’s benediction.

[lerapt78]

Wouldn't suprise me - confrontation is effective, but infiltration is superior.

I haven't had personal experience with liberal nuns Nordskoven, and all I know of gay priests is what I and others hear about with the Church scandals. But when I read your post, and considered the very real problems going on in the Church today, I immediately thought of the "prophecy" of Bella Dodd. An excerpt regarding Communist infiltration of the Church in the '30s:

"The whole idea was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people, and even use the institution of the Church, if possible, to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo-religion: something that resembled Catholicism but was not the real thing."

http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/cs/perspective235.asp

[lerapt78]

Sorry OP, I just realized you had started a thread about her^^^ a few weeks ago.

[meltzerboy]

Originally Posted by nordskoven

After Vatican II, many traditional nuns were bullied into putting off their habits, some even having to have recourse to canon law to avoid various disciplines and censures from liberal sisters. Some nuns tinkered with the "Our Father" by replacing "father" with "mother" and openly lobbied for women priests. In that same era, conservative priests were gradually moved out and put in backwater parishes. Ironically, nuns were gradually being edged out of roles increasingly taken over by effeminate types, like liturgical directors and others. This wall of separation where parish and diocesan collaboration once thrived understandably upset nuns who were frustrated, many nuns seeking greater clout in the Church by any means. But the only causes that gained nuns traction by the liberal ecclesiastical milieu were liberal causes and now, even anti-Church causes.

But was it because around that same time many homosexuals were welcomed into seminaries. One young man in 70's Kansas City came blasting out of his local seminary because they were way too gay. In this milieu of liberal nuns gaining control of convents, and with pro-homosexual influences spreading as later sex scandals showed, has the modern leadership of Catholic nuns been used as "beards" to forward openly active homosexual prelates? This is the agenda that was expressed in the pornographic "St. Sebastian's Angels" website for actively homosexual priests.

http://www.seattlecatholic.com/artic...ebastians.html

The "St. Sebastian's Angels" view was to gain acceptance for actively homosexual priests by first encouraging married Roman Rite priests; women priests (as if woman could atone for the "Sin of Adam") and then they believed acceptance of openly homosexual priests would be swiftly adopted. Our story so far: liberal nuns oust conservative nuns from control; effemi-nazi types edge even liberal nuns out of jobs and responsibilities they once held as nuns were walled off from influence; leaving the only avenue of acceptance and influence as one in which liberal nuns must support the gay agenda, LGBTQ. These nuns are being used as "beards" or gay camouflage by those St. Sebastian's Angels-types who support openly gay everything.

There has been a sifting and sorting to erase the unity of that broad-spectrum of consecrated religious, priests and nuns alike, to shape a divisive wedge. Gotta give the devil his due...May WE be faithful and true, and as wise as serpents and harmless as doves and send these wolves to devour themselves like Gideon's few good men did in turning their enemies against themselves, please God.

I'm an outsider to Catholicism, but this all sounds rather far-fetched to me.

[Dale_M]

Originally Posted by meltzerboy

I'm an outsider to Catholicism, but this all sounds rather far-fetched to me.

The website, St. Sebastian's Angels did exist and its intent was to help homosexual Catholic priests contact one another. Some of the contacts may have been for emotional support, but some may have led to sexual encounters.

The rest of Nordskoven's claims are... well, far-fetched. If anything, there is probably a lower percentage of homosexually inclined priests in the Church today than there was 100 years ago. Before the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s and the era of Gay Liberation in the 1970s, being publicly homosexual was considered shameful. During this earlier time, men were expected to marry and have kids. If someone was single too long, questions were raised and gossip exchanged. The priesthood provided a refuge from those pressures, and was even morally praiseworthy... such a man was serving God.

That situation began changing in the 1960s and accelerated in the 1970s. More and more men were willing to live openly as homosexual. The changing secular culture reduced the need to hide, although stigma persisted for a couple more decades. As a result, less homosexually inclined men are likely to have entered the priesthood. Perhaps not coincidentally, it is also the period when the number of new vocations began to plummet. I don't think Gay Liberation was the only reason for that drop in vocations, but I think it was a factor. Homosexually inclined Catholic men started to have more culturally acceptable options in life, and it wasn't necessary to use the priesthood as a closet.

The homosexual sub-culture in the seminaries, which people such as Michael Rose point to, likely pre-existed the 1960s. Its just that everyone was very careful to keep it quiet, just as priestly sex scandals of that earlier time were carefully hushed up.

The speculations about religious sisters acting as "beards"... well, as you said it is a far-fetched udea. And no evidence exists to support. it.

[manualman]

Originally Posted by meltzerboy

I'm an outsider to Catholicism, but this all sounds rather far-fetched to me.

I'm an insider to Catholicism and all this sounds rather far-fetched to me.

Catastrophes always invite conspiracy theorists. But even the most creative conspiracy theorist lacks the imaginative capacity to come up with the destructive cumulative effects of sin.

The disasters of lay, religious and priestly behavior and culture in the last few generations are merely the result of people's sinfulness and our stubborn refusal to admit how sinful and in need of a Savior we are. As a child, I would read Genesis and Exodus and shake my head at what a foolish and stubborn people those were. Then I grew up and realized that nothing has changed in 5,000 years. We're STILL that foolish and stubborn.

[nordskoven]

The gray mist of secrecy does not a conspiracy make. The "conspiracy" is secret homosexuals; secret P-2 Freemasons; secret Communists a la Bella Dodd. Three billion dollars worth of secrecy has been effected in America alone, used for reparations to victims of clerical abuse bound by gag orders. Perhaps our insider knows where this dough went; to whom; and why. That's a lot of mist and it's hard to believe that adult Catholics who pinch pennies and gripe about dime shifts in gas prices are not interested in the whereabouts of three billion dollars. We play out the Dotty Sandusky Effect/SDE. Hear no evil; see no evil; speak no evil. Three billion dollars buys a lot of legal silence. Seven years in prison is AmChurch's first management-level punishment, the monsignor's reward for knowing, illegal silence. Cardinal Law claimed ingorance of the law. With Pope Leo XIII we pray for St. Michael's protection:

Be favorable to Thy Church, the Bride of the Lamb without spot, whose enemies have filled to overflowing with gall, and inebriated with wormwood. They have laid profane hands upon Her most sacred treasures. Where the See of the most blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth has been constituted as a light to the nations, there they have placed a throne of their abomination and impiety; so that with the Pastor struck, they may prevail to disperse the flock.

[lerapt78]

Originally Posted by nordskoven

Three billion dollars worth of secrecy has been effected in America alone, used for reparations to victims of clerical abuse bound by gag orders. Perhaps our insider knows where this dough went; to whom; and why. That's a lot of mist and it's hard to believe that adult Catholics who pinch pennies and gripe about dime shifts in gas prices are not interested in the whereabouts of three billion dollars.

I too find the idea of infiltration believable nordskoven, but do you think reparation money actually went into the hands of people involved? I feel it was money given to genuine victims, and that the intent of infiltrators was not necessarily to see Church money go to themselves, but rather to simply bankrupt and weaken the Church in general.

[nordskoven]

Three billion dollars, three unaccounted billion dollars, including proceeds from the sale of a Gutenberg Bible, went to victims; victims who were and are today bound by punitive gag orders to never reveal the particulars or the predators involved. The laity has not demanded any accounting. These gag orders may never be voided unless a RICO federal racketeering lawsuit were forwarded.

The bishops lay advisory board was packed with two pro-abortion Clinton-era Democrats and the head of Johns-Hopkins psych department who oversaw their sex clinic founded by Dr. John Money, a pro-pedophile "therapist." Just as a wily lawyer will go judge shopping, the sifting and sorting of "professionals" has been self-serving. That sifting and sorting has mined scholarly nuns--technically lay people under papal authority--who are coincidentally amenable to the St. Sebastian's Angel's website strategem of lobbying for married priests; female priests; then openly homosexual priests. These enablers did not spring from the grass roots.

If you don't know where the balance of scholarly, pious, conservative priests and nuns went, take a drive into the country and attend Mass at a rural church.

[lerapt78]

Thanks for the info. I had heard about priests being professionally treated for their pedophilic/pederastic leanings.