Why do people think God is evil?

Gods_Peace · #1 Jun 21, '12, 1:32 pm

I mean, God has always told us what to do to maintain a Good and Holy relationship with him. Is it not us humans who always break his ordinances and statuettes which push us farther away from him, making us less fulfilled and weaker?

Notice that God wanted us to be happy, wanted us to be good, and the way he willed this to happen was to be in union with him
Notice that satan everytime presents us with sodoms apple, making it ever harder to go to God because what we want is thought to be created. No. What's created will not lead to God, God leads to God, God is Good, and the only way in is through the One Gate, Faith in Jesus Christ
Satan is the evil one. he wants us to be his meal, his subject to order, his to fill with unhappiness and all that is not God
Jesus Christ, Gods word who is God, wants to be our meal, he wants us to love him with all of our hearts, he wants to fill us with happiness and all of his goodness and LOVE, he wants us to recieve him in the fullness he desired, so much as to giving his body to us on the cross, and in every Mass on sunday
So to make this simple, if you desire to be Good, have faith in Gods word, his creating power. If you want to be sent straight to hell, then don't obey God, and do what you will. Gods will leads to Happiness no matter what. Our sinful wills lead to hell no matter what.

When will the human race learn there is only one way, and that is to return to God, or do we think we are gods ourselves? I mean seriously, our society cherishes all kinds of sins, homosexuality, murdering the innocent and helpless, promoting anti-catholocism in schools and in the work place, and creating a satanic (secular) society, all in the name of good. That is a blasphemous lie, from the evil one. satan is the ruler of all evil. What is a greater evil than a society that is not governed by Jesus Christs simple yoke, loving God with all of your heart, and loving your neighbor as yourself?

To love God with all of your heart, is to keep Gods commandments, his statuetes which lead us further on the path that he willed to save us by+
Loving your neighbor as yourself will keep both you and your neigbor in Gods goodnesss and holy will. You will make sure you do everything to lead your neighbor farther down the first option, since this is what all of humanity desires, no matter how farfetched their appearance may be+
+To obey Gods word is to do Gods will+

And if you guys say I'm pushing religion down peoples throats, you should see the sin classmates and teachers try to push down my throat. The students their have done their best to make my consience weak, and act as puppets ready to bring the evil ones will into fruition. If you truly want a Godly society, that will survive, then why do we build it on what will pass away?

+The fruits of society built by God+

The twelve Fruits of the Holy Spirit are charity (or love), joy, peace, patience, benignity (or kindness), goodness, longanimity (or long suffering), mildness, faith, modesty, continency, and chastity.
Prudence - able to judge between actions with regard to appropriate actions at a given time
Justice - proper moderation between self-interest and the rights and needs of others
Temperance or Restraint - practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation
Fortitude or Courage
THE BEST PART IS THE FRUITS KEEP ON LEADING US CLOSER AND CLOSER TO GOD. DO NOT LET SOCIETY GET BAD, THE MARTYRS SACRIFICED TO MUCH FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, JESUS CHRIST SHED HIS BLOOD SO THE WORLD COULD COME TO GODS MERCY, NOT HIS JUDGEMENT

satans disease brought to spread will lead to,
destruction and eventually being sent away from God. So if you value your soul, or want to do Gods will, put your light on display for all men, NO MATTER WHAT. Our society is in danger of being sent to the abyss, doesn't that worry any of you??? GET UP, and start doing what Justice demands, to do Gods will, protecting yourself with the shield of truth.

ebonykawai · #2 Jun 21, '12, 6:08 pm

I don't think people "cherish" sin at all. I think many people do or say things without any real thought at all, ending in wrongful actions.

Who exactly is sending us to the abyss? It is us and no other.

TheDoctor · #3 Jun 21, '12, 8:06 pm

People who think "God is evil" think it mainly because they are applying their moral value system to God, assuming that God is like us and would follow the same morals, i.e. "I would never kill a child but God ordered Israel to slaughter their enemies, including children, therefore God is a murderer and is evil".

The fallacy is assuming we are equal with God therefore He needs to follow the same set of values we have. That is just plain wrong. As Fr. Serpa says "God is not just a bigger version of us". God is further above us than we are above interstellar dust. He is the creator of the universe - not just us, but the entire universe. How do we presume to put our limited values and puny minds upon Him?

The only poor analogy I can give is when I tell my young son he cannot do something he wants to do, but dad can. He thinks dad is "evil" because he is judging me by his values yet I am so much smarter than he is I can't even start to explain it to him so he just has to accept it. But it does not mean I am evil, it means he is not yet smart enough to understand things from my point of view.

VeritasLuxMea · #4 Jun 21, '12, 11:05 pm

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Originally Posted by TheDoctor

People who think "God is evil" think it mainly because they are applying their moral value system to God, assuming that God is like us and would follow the same morals, i.e. "I would never kill a child but God ordered Israel to slaughter their enemies, including children, therefore God is a murderer and is evil".

The fallacy is assuming we are equal with God therefore He needs to follow the same set of values we have. That is just plain wrong. As Fr. Serpa says "God is not just a bigger version of us". God is further above us than we are above interstellar dust. He is the creator of the universe - not just us, but the entire universe. How do we presume to put our limited values and puny minds upon Him?

Let's say that I agree with everything you just wrote. Great.

The problem (as I've been asking in another thread) is this: by what right can we call God "good" if he functions according to some "moral value system" that we cannot understand or explain?

In this way, God could be "good" (theoretically) but we would never have the right to claim that he is good. It would be unprovable, incomprehensible, etc.

TheDoctor · #5 Jun 22, '12, 7:58 am

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Originally Posted by VeritasLuxMea

...by what right can we call God "good" if he functions according to some "moral value system" that we cannot understand or explain?

In this way, God could be "good" (theoretically) but we would never have the right to claim that he is good. It would be unprovable, incomprehensible, etc.

If I understand your question correctly, the answer is "we have no right to judge God" period. We have a duty to accept God and to live our life according to His will.

As I see it, you and I would not exist if it were not for God. Everything we have ever or will ever see, touch, eat or hear would not have existed without God. God does not just do things based on what is going to happen within the next 5 minutes or 5 days or 5 months or even 5 years. God sees all of the universe in all of eternity laid out before Him in a single instant and what He does He does according to His will for the good of us. Unless you or I can see all of creation throughout all time in an instant, we cannot begin to form the moral or intellectual basis to judge God - and I presume that is what we are doing when we ask if He is "good" or "evil".

Gods_Peace · #6 Jun 22, '12, 4:04 pm

I'm just sick of people making fun of Jesus, if they want to be consumed by the beast that is their problem. But I want to stay out of the jaws of that serpent, and not play around with any of his snares. I just pray people have the wisdom to choose faith in Jesus, rather then leaning on what is temporal. God bless you.

Gods_Peace · #7 Jun 22, '12, 4:05 pm

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Originally Posted by ebonykawai

I don't think people "cherish" sin at all. I think many people do or say things without any real thought at all, ending in wrongful actions.

Who exactly is sending us to the abyss? It is us and no other.

God gave us infinite desire for him, so to never have that desire go out, and never have it satisfied is hell. The Holy Spirit reveals truths unknown by man to the church, so we do not have to be worried about death. Death is just separation from God on the physical plane. Fear God, because he can send us to the death on every plane of existence.

Gods_Peace · #8 Jun 22, '12, 4:58 pm

+God's Message Enflame Hearts+

smith500 · #9 Jun 22, '12, 9:20 pm

To a certain extent people think God is evil as a way to rationalize their sinful behavior.

To rationalize this, they'll point to religious wars and persecutions done my members of the Church and apply what was done 1500 years ago to the standards of today without recognizing that religion and the Church slowly got us to the standards of today. It dd not come from a secular "enlightenment.,"

Techically the above is about relgion, not about God. However when religious people say that we deserve eternal damnation for minor sins such as cussing, it makes God appear evil.

3DOCTORS · #10 Jun 22, '12, 9:26 pm

The word "evil" strikes me as maybe extreme - I think there are a lot of folks who wouldn't think God was "evil" but who might feel He was too strict, or mean, or a "buzzkill" who didn't want them to have "fun."

But I don't agree with these people.

Gods_Peace · #11 Jun 23, '12, 1:25 pm

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Originally Posted by 3DOCTORS

The word "evil" strikes me as maybe extreme - I think there are a lot of folks who wouldn't think God was "evil" but who might feel He was too strict, or mean, or a "buzzkill" who didn't want them to have "fun."

But I don't agree with these people.

Well, They think his Children are evil. I guess it's all about them calling Good, evil. and evil, Good. God Bless.

**edwest2** · #12 Jun 23, '12, 4:18 pm

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Originally Posted by VeritasLuxMea

Let's say that I agree with everything you just wrote. Great.

The problem (as I've been asking in another thread) is this: by what right can we call God "good" if he functions according to some "moral value system" that we cannot understand or explain?

In this way, God could be "good" (theoretically) but we would never have the right to claim that he is good. It would be unprovable, incomprehensible, etc.

I notice you are Catholic. So why be Catholic?

Peace,
Ed