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Old Jan 23, '12, 6:54 am
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Among other odd things like having feces throwing contests with Satan, Martin Luther was also an Anti-Semite.

http://www.weirdcrap.com/recreational/luther.html
Yes Martin Luther was an anti-semite as was St Augustine, proving thus that even the best of men are men at best.

But do you seriously want to get into the Catholic Church's record concerning the Jews?

Crusades anyone?

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BTW, the book was called On the Jews and Their Lies and it is garbage front to back. No one defends it.
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Old Jan 23, '12, 9:18 am
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Yes Martin Luther was an anti-semite as was St Augustine, proving thus that even the best of men are men at best.

But do you seriously want to get into the Catholic Church's record concerning the Jews?

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Pope Pius XII: Friend and Rescuer of Jews

The astonishing, almost unknown story of hundreds of Jewish refugees, shipwrecked in the Aegean Sea, who turned to Pope Pius XII for help

By William Doino, Jr.

Inside the Vatican, January, 2012, pp. 10-18

Editorial Note:

There has been no major figure of the World War II period (1939-1945) more inaccurately depicted than Eugenio Pacelli — Pope Pius XII (1939-1958). Perhaps the worst of these attacks come from a provocative 1960s play, and a 1990s book which claimed to be scholarly.

The first is Rolf Hochhuth’s stage drama, The Deputy (1963), which presented Pius as a cold, heartless bureaucrat, standing aloof from the horrors of the Holocaust, as he engaged in secret business dealings to enrich the Church. After creating a brief sensation, The Deputy was revealed to be a pure piece of propaganda — as contrived and inaccurate as the anti-Catholic fabrications once put out by the Nazis themselves.
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Old Jan 23, '12, 12:37 pm
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Yes Martin Luther was an anti-semite as was St Augustine, proving thus that even the best of men are men at best. But do you seriously want to get into the Catholic Church's record concerning the Jews?Crusades anyone?
God BlessBTW, the book was called On the Jews and Their Lies and it is garbage front to back. No one defends it.
Luther’s later anti-Jewish tracts were written from a position different than current anti-Semitism. Luther was born into a society that was anti-Judaic, but it was not the current anti-Judaic type of society that bases it racism on biological factors. Luther had no objections to integrating converted Jews into Christian society. He had nothing against Jews as “Jews.” He had something against their religion because he believed it denied and blasphemed Christ.

Heiko Oberman points out,

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“One thing must be clearly understood: Luther was anti-Jewish in his repeated warnings against the Jews as bearers of an anti-Christian religion which had established itself both within and outside Christianity. But Luther was not an anti-Semite or racist of any kind because- to apply the test appropriate to his time- for him a baptized Jew is fully Christian. Conversely, he said that among us Christians in Germany there are horrifyingly many who in their hearts deny Christ. Those are the true Jews! Not race but belief in the law, in good works, makes Jews.”
Rather than being motivated by biological factors, Luther’s criticisms were motivated by theological concerns. Luther directed intensely abusive language against Anabaptists, lawyers, the papacy, and the Jews. Luther felt these groups were united in the conviction that men were ultimately made right before God by the law. Anabaptism held a moralistic view of the gospel with an emphasis on the heavy burden of righteousness placed upon men in order to be accepted before God. Lawyers made their living by imposing the law. The papacy was viewed as the antichrist, which promoted a false religion with a false view of salvation through obedience to the law. The Jews had a religion based upon works righteousness. When Luther attacked these groups, he felt he was attacking the devil- the underlying spirit of works righteousness.

There is no getting around it: in his later years, Luther did say some awful things about the Jewish people. Where Luther was gravely mistaken, Protestants must admit his faults. Even the editors of Luther’s Works included some of Luther’s harsh writings against the Jews. There was no attempt to hide the material from the public eye.
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Instead of Martin Luther taking out books and creating his own theology he should have found truth in that of the Eastern Orthodox faith because at the time the papacy was corrupt.
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Old Jan 23, '12, 5:42 pm
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Instead of Martin Luther taking out books and creating his own theology he should have found truth in that of the Eastern Orthodox faith because at the time the papacy was corrupt.
Uhh, did you even read the thread?
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