Robert Spencer Show - Page 2

april32010 · #16 Aug 4, '12, 11:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Dale_M

Posting anonymous criticisms about a public figure who is known to read those comments doesn't seem fair. It could be that the readers of the Radio forum are more polite than the readers of some of the other forums here at CAF.

how was i criticizing anyone ? #1 i love patrick coffin,#2 i loved robert spencer when he was on patrick's show,#3 i don't know who reads what,i am not on "the inside scoop"#4 bumping a thread to try to encourage discussion is criticizing?

**Dale_M** · #17 Aug 4, '12, 11:26 pm

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Originally Posted by april32010

how was i criticizing anyone ? #1 i love patrick coffin,#2 i loved robert spencer when he was on patrick's show,#3 i don't know who reads what,i am not on "the inside scoop"#4 bumping a thread to try to encourage discussion is criticizing?

Oh, no no no.... that isn't what I meant at all! I apologize that I wasn't more clear.

My post was meant to suggest that readers of this forum may be reluctant to criticize the host or the guest of Catholic Answers Live. Its one thing to criticize someone face to face. Quite another thing to say negative things anonymously when you know that person will read those anonymous remarks..

Yes, I know we often make such anonymous criticisms about people who are in the media spotlight. It must be hard to endure such anonymous sniping, but I guess its the cost of being a national figure. However, I don't think persons who appear on Catholic Answers Live should need to have the skin of a rhinoceros. And perhaps other readers of this forum feel the same way.

april32010 · #18 Aug 4, '12, 11:29 pm

i misread your comment,my apologies.i thought you meant i was badmouthing patrick. i see what you meant now,in context.mea culpa

jonathan_hili · #19 Aug 5, '12, 5:51 am

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Originally Posted by genteel

First time Post
*Plays Trumpet Blast of Love*

Is it me or was this guest just Muslim Bashing the entire show?

Hi Genteel,

I wouldn't say the show was "Muslim bashing" but it did seem very one-sided. It would have been interesting to hear how a Muslim scholar would respond to Mr Spencer's interesting claims - and they were very interesting indeed, hopefully a catalyst for more research in this area.

I know there was one Muslim caller who was trying to respond but just got talked over, which was a bit of a pity.

**Patrick Coffin** · #20 Aug 6, '12, 9:10 am

If weighing in here will mean much, please allow me to. Critical comments about my job as host are invaluable to me -- as helpful as if not more helpful as praise -- as long as they stick to the point. Some listeners don't like the guest, or disagree with some angle he or she brings to the show, and they conflate that distaste with the host (why is he letting that comment go? Why isn't he challenging the guest? I can't believe what I'm hearing" etc.) It happens.

Other listeners just don't like me. When I first began, this was a source of low-grade anxiety and sadness to be honest. But that's just life, and our faith no where teaches we have to like everybody. In fact, the desire to be liked by everybody is a serious dereliction of one's duty as a Christian.

I have no fear of the truth -- just half truths or lies. This radio forum is not meant to be the Patrick Coffin Ego Stroking Forum. If folks feel reluctant to make comments that are critical of any aspect of the show -- well, might as well pull the plug. I don't check regularly, but when I do, it's invariably a learning experience. So please keep it up. Please pray for me, for the department staff, especially during this pledge drive week.

Thanks!

robwar · #21 Aug 6, '12, 10:25 am

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Originally Posted by Patrick Coffin

If weighing in here will mean much, please allow me to. Critical comments about my job as host are invaluable to me -- as helpful as if not more helpful as praise -- as long as they stick to the point. Some listeners don't like the guest, or disagree with some angle he or she brings to the show, and they conflate that distaste with the host (why is he letting that comment go? Why isn't he challenging the guest? I can't believe what I'm hearing" etc.) It happens.

Other listeners just don't like me. When I first began, this was a source of low-grade anxiety and sadness to be honest. But that's just life, and our faith no where teaches we have to like everybody. In fact, the desire to be liked by everybody is a serious dereliction of one's duty as a Christian.

I have no fear of the truth -- just half truths or lies. This radio forum is not meant to be the Patrick Coffin Ego Stroking Forum. If folks feel reluctant to make comments that are critical of any aspect of the show -- well, might as well pull the plug. I don't check regularly, but when I do, it's invariably a learning experience. So please keep it up. Please pray for me, for the department staff, especially during this pledge drive week.

Thanks!

Thanks Patrick for the great job you do. I am reading a number of Roberts Spencer's books. he is very well research and goes directly to Islamic sources. Thanks for putting him on to tell the truth. You do a great job anyway and when I can listen, I love what you do! may God continue to bless you! Those how have questions about Islam should read his books. Robert Spencer was recommended to me by a muslim convert to the faith.
"you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!"

**Patrick Coffin** · #22 Aug 6, '12, 10:27 am

Oh, I forget to mention that Thom Price was my fill-in host recently with Robert Spencer. I was out that day, fyi.

qui est ce · #23 Aug 6, '12, 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by robwar

Thanks Patrick for the great job you do. I am reading a number of Roberts Spencer's books. he is very well research and goes directly to Islamic sources. Thanks for putting him on to tell the truth. You do a great job anyway and when I can listen, I love what you do! may God continue to bless you! Those how have questions about Islam should read his books. Robert Spencer was recommended to me by a muslim convert to the faith.
"you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!"

scipio337 · #24 Aug 7, '12, 5:38 am

Sorry to wander into a question that already may have been answered, but does Mr. Spencer have his own show on EWTN now? Is it radio/tv, and what might the times be?

Yeoman · #25 Aug 24, '12, 7:30 am

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Originally Posted by Patrick Coffin

I was saddened when I learned I had to be out of town for his appearance, but I can tell you that Robert Spencer is unafraid to debate any Muslim apologist in any venue. The "Muslim bashing" dig is easy to throw around, but is unfounded. Here is an independent account of how Mr. Spencer conducts himself and speaks at public events written by a former bodyguard:

http://thestonybrookpatriot.blogspot...-part-one.html

The far Left and the Islamist minority within Islam have united in aiming their rage at Spencer. The problem for them is, he offers actual arguments, direct citations from the Qu-ran, and uncomfortable historical facts. He is also a family man, and a permanent deacon in the Melkite Rite. Few have his courage, not to mention his balanced articulation of Islamic terrorism. God bless and protect him.

I've listened to two interviews of Robert Spencer on Catholic Answers and found both to be extraordinary informative.

It doesn't surprise me that he draws criticism, and even some here, for "bashing". He's not, but the nature of telling the truth on these matters, in modern times, is to suffer the confusion of "tolerance" with "acceptance". The concept of "tolerance" is so pervasive in modern Western society that it has morphed into the idea that tolerance equals acceptance. This leads to the idea that we must accept everything. We don't have to do that, and to do so is intellectually weak. Spencer is simply telling the scholarly truth on Islam and there's no reason to believe that he's not as tolerant as a person should be. But, by the same token, that doesn't mean that any of us should fail to address the rather obvious problems that Islam has from our Catholic prospective.

Yeoman · #26 Aug 24, '12, 7:31 am

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Originally Posted by Patrick Coffin

If weighing in here will mean much, please allow me to. Critical comments about my job as host are invaluable to me -- as helpful as if not more helpful as praise -- as long as they stick to the point. Some listeners don't like the guest, or disagree with some angle he or she brings to the show, and they conflate that distaste with the host (why is he letting that comment go? Why isn't he challenging the guest? I can't believe what I'm hearing" etc.) It happens.

Other listeners just don't like me. When I first began, this was a source of low-grade anxiety and sadness to be honest. But that's just life, and our faith no where teaches we have to like everybody. In fact, the desire to be liked by everybody is a serious dereliction of one's duty as a Christian.

I have no fear of the truth -- just half truths or lies. This radio forum is not meant to be the Patrick Coffin Ego Stroking Forum. If folks feel reluctant to make comments that are critical of any aspect of the show -- well, might as well pull the plug. I don't check regularly, but when I do, it's invariably a learning experience. So please keep it up. Please pray for me, for the department staff, especially during this pledge drive week.

Thanks!

Folks in your line of work, I think, should probably carry a copy of Roosevelt's "Man In The Arena Speech" in their pocket, as it is so applicable to them!

robwar · #27 Aug 24, '12, 7:52 am

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Originally Posted by Yeoman

I've listened to two interviews of Robert Spencer on Catholic Answers and found both to be extraordinary informative.

It doesn't surprise me that he draws criticism, and even some here, for "bashing". He's not, but the nature of telling the truth on these matters, in modern times, is to suffer the confusion of "tolerance" with "acceptance". The concept of "tolerance" is so pervasive in modern Western society that it has morphed into the idea that tolerance equals acceptance. This leads to the idea that we must accept everything. We don't have to do that, and to do so is intellectually weak. Spencer is simply telling the scholarly truth on Islam and there's no reason to believe that he's not as tolerant as a person should be. But, by the same token, that doesn't mean that any of us should fail to address the rather obvious problems that Islam has from our Catholic prospective.

you exactly hit the nail on the head.

MidnightSun12 · #28 Aug 24, '12, 10:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Trebor135

Sure. All I'm asking for is apologetics (not polemics) and consistency. Spencer brings up some intriguing points about the first sixty years of Islam that I wasn't aware of before; I'm simply concerned that, if the same approach is taken with Christianity, we won't necessarily like all the results. In the first sixty years of Christianity, do we have non-Christian testimony to the trinity and the baptismal formula--in a place and time where literacy skills and writing instruments were more prevalent and more available, respectively, than in seventh-century Arabia?

As Catholics, we know what the Church teaches is infallible and beyond the question of any secular testimony. It's quite the opposite case with Islam, we know for a fact that any moral or theological teaching that conflicts with the Church is simply wrong. I think we should then approach the investigation of Islam from the point of view of trying to understand where the mistakes in the Islamic faith were made (not trying to see if those mistakes could actually be "right").

When we stack up the first 60 years of christianity against the first 60 years of Islam while denying the objective Truth of the Catholic Church, we are empowering a secular point of view in discerning the facts about the two religions. Since secularism is, itself, a falsehood created by Satan, if we do this then we are bound to find an answer that is going to cast doubt on objective Truth and favor the evil one.