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Old Feb 9, '14, 6:54 pm
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Of course, they could do so even before Holder's decision. How commonly do such things occur?

I am not familiar with the requirements of compulsory testimony, but surely there are ways to avoid testifying which bring less financial and legal entanglements?
Well they could do so in the states which recognized their marriage. Now, if they are married in a state which recognized same sex marriage, the immunity claim will be recognized by the federal courts in any state. Presumably, a state or local court could refuse to recognize the immunity claim.

I'm not a lawyer, but if one is subpoenaed to testify, one must testify. But spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other.
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The acceptance of the birth control pill and abortion is what made this debate inevitable since it divorced marriage from the procreative act of having children.
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All that's being done here is if a couple is married in a state that recognizes the marriage, the feds will also recognize the union as valid.
The same thing that already happens automatically and without controversy for heterosexuals.

Given the DOMA ruling and the increasing number of states that permit marriage equality, such a move was pretty much inevitable. And it shouldn't be controversial; states still can define marriage in their states, this doesn't legalize same-sex marriage nationwide, and this has absolutely zero effect on anyone who isn't married to someone of their own gender.
This goes beyond that. The DOJ is recognizing any couple married in any state, regardless of the law in the state of residence for issues that involve the DOJ. I doesn't surprise me at all since all of the federal agencies are going that route.
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Default Re: Attorney general to extend recognition of same-sex marriage rights to all states

Sorry. Please may someone enlighten me...what do people mean by the phrase "marriage equality"? I have only heard it bandied about in the last few years and usually by soi-disant 'liberals'
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Well they could do so in the states which recognized their marriage. Now, if they are married in a state which recognized same sex marriage, the immunity claim will be recognized by the federal courts in any state.
Yes, very true. But what I had in mind was that a male and female business partners have always had this option available to them. That is why I was wondering how often it took place. (I apologize for not stating that more clearly.)

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I'm not a lawyer, but if one is subpoenaed to testify, one must testify. But spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other.
Thankfully, I am not a lawyer, either. (To all those attorneys out there.... )

My understanding is that a subpoena merely commands that a person show up in court. Whether they have legal grounds to refuse testifying may (or may not) exist. I think self-incrimination might be one reason to refuse, but there may be others.
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Old Feb 20, '14, 12:32 pm
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Well, he is hardly the first attorney to confuse reality and fantasy. After all, homosexual marriage is a myth. I would not expect anyone to understand this who is exercising their own version of anti-religious tyranny.

Modern man can talk all he wants of equality. It will not alter absolute truth. Homosexuals still can not produce a child.
??? Interesting comment. I know lots of heterosexuals that STILL cannot produce a child.
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??? Interesting comment. I know lots of heterosexuals that STILL cannot produce a child.
Hmmmmm.

But heterosexuals by and large do produce children. Surely you know the birds and the bees. Homosexuals can not. Period. They are 100% unfruitful by nature.
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