Congregation Size needed for a new FSSP Apostolate - Page 3

Mrs Sally · #31 Oct 16, '12, 2:20 pm

Disruptive children, poor singing, and mediocre homilies are to be found at every Mass and have been for 2000 years. I don't think any of those things are signs of people wanting to run the EF out of town. Bad HVAC systems are also not a sign of conspiracy, even large insects aren't.

petiteguignol · #32 Oct 16, '12, 2:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Friar David, O.Carm

Proper spirit?

How can one judge the "proper spirit" within another?

There is nothing about a "proper spirit" that can affect the Mass as long as it is done as it should be.

That should be the focus. Is the priest celebrating the Mass (either EF or OF) correctly, if so then there is nothing wrong and no right to complain.

Maybe you didn't read my entire post.

I think you should.

If a priest is openly and regularly saying things which are not in keeping with the teaching of the Church during the homily, things which can be traced to Protestant authors,
If the priest is whipping through the silent parts of the mass at a speed you can not keep up with,
If a priest is regularly misreading the Gospel and Epistle,
If a priest is openly extolling the virtues of enemies of the Faith,
If a priest makes crazy claims (the Homily about George Washington "has an Imprimatur from four Franciscans"),
If the priest has a prior reputation for saying irreligious 15 minute Sunday OF masses,
If the priest does not seem to know even basic elements of the Faith,

AND IN ADDITION TO THIS:

If the priest refuses to put on ANY the heat in the Winter so that the Chruch is bone chillingly cold, or intentionally turns off the air conditioning (which had been running all day in an empty church) right before the start of Mass, when it is 93 degrees outside,

PLUS ALL OF THE OTHER CRAZY THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WHICH I MENTIONED ABOVE,

I think there may be a reason to suspect that SOMEONE is trying to sabotage the Latin Mass where I live.

Let's just take ONE of the above realities:

How does a priest who regularly says a 15 minute OF Mass for years make the necessary attitude adjustment to start saying a reverent and sincere EF Mass? I personally don't believe it is possible. I would like to believe that because I have to, I have little other choice.
But if we had a Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter group here, I wouldn't worry about it so much.

I know I never worried about it for a second when I was attending SSPX, although there were clearly other issues involved with that.

Mrs Sally · #33 Oct 16, '12, 3:33 pm

I am truly sorry for your situation. However, there is nothing any of us can do about it and posting extensive details about your parish isn't making things better and could be considered a violation of forum rules. I recommend you find another topic to discuss.

I will be praying for the situation in your parish and the many troubled individuals who attend Mass there.

**Friar David, O.Carm** · #34 Oct 16, '12, 5:01 pm

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Originally Posted by petiteguignol

But, there was a definite trend in the comments, which is still easily referenced, to call those who would like to have a Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter nearby "spoiled children," and indicate that they were darned lucky to have anything and they better shut up about it.

Sorry but they are acting as "spoiled children" when there are priests present with an interest in celebrating the EF but this community does not want that. They want what they want regardless of what is possible.

TrueLight · #35 Oct 16, '12, 5:14 pm

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Originally Posted by petiteguignol

I have attended a diocesan Latin Mass for more than 10 years, with a brief sojourn at SSPX.

I too wish very much that we could have a FSSP priest say the Latin Mass in my city.

I have felt, with good reason, that the diocese is actually quite hostile toward the Latin Mass, and there are many things that go on there which have forced me to conclude that there is an organized effort at sabotage.

I won't go into detail about this, but I easily could. I just probably would not be believed. My family, who has lived through this, agrees.

I would be interested to know how many other diocesan Latin Mass attendees have experieced the same thing where they live.

All the things you mentioned in this thread can occur in a parish that is not hostile to the EF. Are they more reverent in the OF?

It's hard for anyone here to say because we are not there. I know that it is quite possible to sabotage the EF especially if one is being forced to celebrate it.

I'm blessed because my diocesan EF is top-notch. So it is possible to have a reverently celebrated diocesan traditional Latin Mass.

I will keep you and your parish in prayer.

Oneofthewomen · #36 Oct 16, '12, 5:37 pm

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Originally Posted by TrueLight

I know that it is quite possible to sabotage the EF especially if one is being forced to celebrate it.

WHOA NELLY!!!!

I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that any priest can be forced to celebrate the EF,
That said, for me, it calls into question many of the claims made by petiteguignol.
I don't go in for "conspiracy theories", so I really can't figure out why a priest who obviously didn't want to celebrate the EF would do so just to sabotage it.

**Friar David, O.Carm** · #37 Oct 16, '12, 6:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Oneofthewomen

WHOA NELLY!!!!

I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that any priest can be forced to celebrate the EF,
That said, for me, it calls into question many of the claims made by petiteguignol.
I don't go in for "conspiracy theories", so I really can't figure out why a priest who obviously didn't want to celebrate the EF would do so just to sabotage it.

I think you are on target here.

You are also correct, no priest can be forced to celebrate the EF.

Melchior_ · #38 Oct 16, '12, 9:44 pm

I'm a TV - Broadcasting graduate. I've worked in the field for a bit, even got some things on national TV. Although I no longer work in the industry, I love the field. One of the best years of my life was my second year of college. Fast forward a few years, when the time came for my wedding, we picked a guy to tape it for us.

My wife liked the video. Her mother *loved* the video.

I hated it. Still hate it. Lighting is off, sound is terrible, framing is off, sometimes I noticed a shake or two. Colour temperatures were off as well at times.

To me it was terrible. The guy tried his best, but it wasn't up to my standards. He of course knew I had that background, and so did the person he assigned to film our wedding. When the guy filming our wedding and I talked shop, I felt as if he was at times looking down on me and undermining my skills and accomplishments.

Did he do that on purpose to tank my wedding video? No, frankly:

A) He's probably not very good at shooting weddings.
B) Was having a bad day.
C) Didn't like shooting weddings.
D) Equipment wasn't set up right.

Any number of reasons, none of them involve "he's out to get me and sabotage my wedding!"

poche · #39 Oct 17, '12, 3:50 am

You have to accept the priests that God sends you. Sometimes it may not be exactly the priest that you want. Please give the diocesan priests a chance - they might pleasantly surprise you.