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Jul 31, '12, 3:48 pm
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Re: Mother of God
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Originally Posted by Rafik Gabriel
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Yes but that is off topic. Start a new thread for those.
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Jul 31, '12, 4:13 pm
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Re: Mother of God
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Originally Posted by JimG
This Marian doctrine is mainly about Jesus, not Mary. If she is not the mother of God, then Jesus is not God.
If you told your mother than she is only the mother of your human nature, but not YOU, she might be insulted. In fact that would not even be accurate, because your mother did not create your soul, which is part of your human nature. But she is the mother of a person, not a nature!
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Well said, Jim. The Incarnation doesn't exist if the Blessed Virgin is not the Mother of God.
From the Lutheran Confessions:
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On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed Virgin, bore not a mere man, but, as the angel [Gabriel] testifies, such a man as is truly the Son of the most high God, who showed His divine majesty even in His mother's womb, inasmuch as He was born of a virgin, with her virginity inviolate. Therefore she is truly the mother of God, and nevertheless remained a virgin.
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Aug 2, '12, 8:21 pm
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Re: Mother of God
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Originally Posted by JonNC
Well said, Jim. The Incarnation doesn't exist if the Blessed Virgin is not the Mother of God.
From the Lutheran Confessions:
Jon
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Also from Luther..........
". . . she is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God. . . . it is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
Ref: Sermon on John 14. 16: Luther's Works (St. Louis, ed. Jaroslav, Pelican, Concordia. vol. 24. p. 107)
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Aug 3, '12, 2:10 pm
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Re: Mother of God
If the Christ was God, and if the mortal flesh and the divinity coexisted from the beginning, and if Mary was his Mother, then Mary is the Mother of God.
And by extensions the bride of God, the King of Kings is called a Queen, the Queen of Heaven.
The difference between Mary, the mortal yet full of grace mother OF God, and what was spoken of negatively in the OT as Queen of Heaven is that in that case the OF falls off and in the pagan cultures it became Mother God, not mother OF god.
It seems so simple to me now........ didn't always.........
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