Archbishop Harry Flynn censors Fr Robert Altier's homilies

[Eileen T]

Father Altier’s homilies and spiritual presentations can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org or broadcast on Relevant Radio.
I did a search and found that Archbishop Flynn, of the Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis, forbade the Catholic Answers' Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics during the last presidential election, as being too one-sided.

Please pray for Fr Altier and his ministry. You can support him here... http://www.desertvoice.org/Censored.html

[OurLadyOfEfes]

Yep tragically the Arch B will censure those who uphold the teachings that he is afraid to uphold himself and yet he continues to allow the open dissenters protest against the protect marriage act in the front off his own cathedral!!!

Just last year he censured the legionaries of christ in the archdiocese.

[Catholic29]

I suspected this would happen eventually.

And this shows from which side of the hip Archbishop Flynn is shooting from. He has had a history of slapping censures on clergy and religious who expound Rome's teachings with too much clarity. Its been well discussed on this forum http://forums.catholic.com/search.php?searchid=1701374

Further proof of the hypocrisy that reigns in the St. Paul chancery. And among the reasons why I am taking a second look as to why I am actually Catholic.

[Wolseley]

"The streets of hell are paved with the skulls of bishops."

----St. John Chrysostom.

[Eileen T]

Originally Posted by Catholic29

I suspected this would happen eventually.

And this shows from which side of the hip Archbishop Flynn is shooting from. He has had a history of slapping censures on clergy and religious who expound Rome's teachings with too much clarity. Its been well discussed on this forum http://forums.catholic.com/search.php?searchid=1701374

Further proof of the hypocrisy that reigns in the St. Paul chancery. And among the reasons why I am taking a second look as to why I am actually Catholic.

I know why I am Catholic. No other Church can feed me with the Bread of Eternal Life, the Body and Blood of Christ.

Fr Benedict Groeschel, in his book "From Scandal to Hope" addresses the crisi in the Church today. He says

Does this shake your faith in the Church? I hope so, because ultimately your faith should not be in the Church, ultimately. Ultimately our faith is in Jesus Christ, and we accept the Church. We support the Church. We belong to the Church because Christ established the Church.

Somebody who belongs to the Church as a big organization, as a great philanthropic thing or the great social catalyst or whatever else you want to think, they’re going to be badly shaken. They may get out.

But we belong to the Church as the crucified body of Jesus Christ. If the Church is the body of Christ, don’t be surprised that it’s crucified. Don’t be surprised that it’s dragged through the streets and spat upon and wounded and crowned with thorns. That’s what’s going on right now.

The Church is the body of Christ, and when you love the Church, you should love it as the body of Christ.

Our dear Holy Father on Good Friday wrote this: “In the acute pain of the suffering servant, we hear already the triumphant cry of the risen Lord.” Christ on the cross is the King of the new people, ransom from the burden of sin and death, however twisted and confused the course of history may appear. We know that by walking in the footsteps of the crucified we shall attain to that goal. Amid the conflicts of a world dominated by selfishness and hatred, we as believers are called to proclaim the victory of love. Today, Good Friday, we testify to the victory of Christ crucified.

Not so long ago, the Catholic Church seemed to be very triumphant. I lived through those days at the end of the council. The Church seemed to be very powerful, and I’ve lived to see the mystical body of Christ crucified, betrayed, attacked, abandoned by the frightened apostles. And we’re all part of it. We’re all part of it. Don’t ever exempt yourself. I reproach myself every day that unwittingly I went along and stupidly I got involved in things that ultimately did not serve the Church or Christ so well.

Turn to Christ.

[bones_IV]

Don't be suprised if Enoch and Elijah return that many in the hierarchy will try to silence them.

[Eileen T]

Enoch and Elijah? They'd probably try to stop Jesus Himself!

[Cactus]

I think we've got a handful of bishops that make the Medicis of the Renaissance look not-so-bad after all.

[Catholic29]

Originally Posted by Eileen T

I know why I am Catholic. No other Church can feed me with the Bread of Eternal Life, the Body and Blood of Christ.

Fr Benedict Groeschel, in his book "From Scandal to Hope" addresses the crisi in the Church today. He says

With all of the hypocrisy I have been a wittness to committed by the Church's own shepherds, I'm not sure I even recieve the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. If I am, its certainly not sticking to some who's footsteps they are following as apostles.

Since search results don't come up in a link. Just put in Archbishop Flynn in the upper left text box and click "Search Now" at the bottom of the page here http://forums.catholic.com/search.php

Anyhow you can find a few of Fr. Altier's older weekly homilies at St. Agnes Church here http://www.stagnes.net/homilies.html

[Lux_et_veritas]

Has anyone considered writing to the CDF to inquire about this censure? While it would seem "off" for Fr. Altier to write, do the faithful not enjoy the right to raise questions in matters that pertain to them?

I've not listened to him, but gather that he took an orthodox Catholic position. Unless he contradicted the catholic catechism in some way, I don't know why he would be censured.

If there are dissenting opinions being published without censure in the diocese I would gather all of that and forward it. Since I'm not familiar, I can't exactly dig into it as someone who is familiar.

We must pray for them both.

[Eileen T]

Originally Posted by Lux_et_veritas

I've not listened to him, but gather that he took an orthodox Catholic position. Unless he contradicted the catholic catechism in some way, I don't know why he would be censured.

If anyone would like a link to Fr Altier's homilies from 2001 - 2005 you could PM me and I'll provide one.

[paramedicgirl]

Here's part of one of his homilies on Protecting God's Children, the new "Catholic" sex ed program that he says is developed by Planned Parenthood. Click on the website to read the rest.

Back in 2002, after the bishops very hastily put together something that they call Protecting God’s Children, the charter for protecting children from sexual abusers, one of the things that was put in there, and this is something that is certainly laudatory, is that they wanted to raise awareness of child sexual abuse in all of the dioceses of the United States. Well, they have just recently interpreted their document to determine that that means every single diocese in the United States is absolutely required to have programs that are going to raise this awareness. Again, by itself that sounds very good; however, there are two different elements to this thing.

The first part of it is something that all employees, as well as all volunteers who would work with children in any capacity, are required to take. We just did that last week under obedience from the archbishop, and what I can tell you is the program by itself was worthless enough.

It was fairly innocuous, didn’t say much, except for two points that really stuck out. Number one, they were presenting a series of myths regarding sexual abuse.
http://www.excerptsofinri.com/fr_alt...er_103005.html

[hypnotist]

Fr Altier's inflammatory ,and frequently uncharitable language, combined with a willingness to comment on subjects about which he is ignorant, and a high regard for his own opinion vis a vis that of his superiors' and others, seem just reason for his censure.

[Eileen T]

Originally Posted by hypnotist

Fr Altier's inflammatory ,and frequently uncharitable language, combined with a willingness to comment on subjects about which he is ignorant, and a high regard for his own opinion vis a vis that of his superiors' and others, seem just reason for his censure.

I wonder how many people tried to shut Peter up by saying, "What does he know, he's just a fisherman not a scholar.!" I have come across this somewhere on this forum where people have referred to the apostles as "ignorant fishermen," as if someone needs higher education to be knowledgable.

One example that comes to mind is St Therese, the Little Flower who has been proclaimed a Doctor of the Church. I would say that her 'higher' education came directly from the Highest source of all, the Holy Spirit.

Apart from that, can you give some examples of Fr Altier's "inflammatory and frequently uncharitable language"? I have copies of his homilies that were printed on desertvoice and do not recall coming across what you are saying, although I have not read all of them yet. I have a feeling this may be personal for you.

Are you upset over his Examination of Conscience which states for sins against the 1st Commandment

1. I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before me.
- Involvement in occult practices, e.g., witchcraft, ouija boards, seances, palm reading, tarot cards, hypnotism, divination, astrology, black magic, sorcery, etc.

[Isaiah4031]

Originally Posted by hypnotist

Fr Altier's inflammatory ,and frequently uncharitable language, combined with a willingness to comment on subjects about which he is ignorant, and a high regard for his own opinion vis a vis that of his superiors' and others, seem just reason for his censure.

I don't live in the Archdiocese of St. Paul, so I don't know all the particulars. I have heard Father Altier a number of times on Relevant Radio. I've never heard him try to tackle subjects like nuclear physics or nitrogen fixation. I doubt that he is ignorant on the subjects to which he does speak. Personally, I think the Archbishop hurt his own credibility with the censur.

Eileen T - Good points, particularly regarding hypnotism.