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Old Mar 3, '06, 8:47 pm
Loren 1of6 Loren 1of6 is offline
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Question Valid marriage vs. Sacramental marriage

My brother eloped last weekend. He and his girlfriend got married in Vegas and then called our parents to share the good news. My father was concerned that they are not "really" married because they did not marry in the Church.

I say that the Church assumes validity when a couple marries elsewhere. I think that my brother and his new wife are in a valid marriage, but not necessarily a sacramental one. Their marriage can become sacramental when they both realize what Catholic marriage means and have their union blessed by the Church.

Am I on track, or have I not even gotten to the station yet?
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Old Mar 3, '06, 9:00 pm
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You have derailed.

Are civil marriages valid in the eyes of God
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Old Mar 3, '06, 9:20 pm
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Marriages can be classified as follows:
  • Invalid marriage
    • Lacking even the appearance of marriage
      • E.g., Catholics who marry outside the Church
    • Having the appearance of marriage
      • E.g., Defective exchange of marital consent
  • Valid marriage
    • Sacramental
      • Between two baptized persons
    • Non-sacramental, but good and natural
      • Between two persons, at least one of whom is not baptized
There is no such thing as a valid but non-sacramental marriage between two baptized persons.
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Old Mar 4, '06, 4:48 am
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are they both Catholic, or is either one Catholic? then they are not married at all.

if neither is Catholic, and otherwise free to marry, the marriage is valid. If both are baptized non-Catholics, and otherwise free to marry, the marriage is both valid and sacramental.
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Old Mar 4, '06, 5:53 am
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Originally Posted by Loren 1of6
My brother eloped last weekend. He and his girlfriend got married in Vegas and then called our parents to share the good news. My father was concerned that they are not "really" married because they did not marry in the Church.

I say that the Church assumes validity when a couple marries elsewhere. I think that my brother and his new wife are in a valid marriage, but not necessarily a sacramental one. Their marriage can become sacramental when they both realize what Catholic marriage means and have their union blessed by the Church.

Am I on track, or have I not even gotten to the station yet?
If either is Catholic they may very well be in a valid Marriage, a valid civil and legal Marriage. But not in a valid spiritual Marriage. There may be a legal contract, but no Spiritual Bond. If either of them are Catholic they must Marry according to the Marriage laws of the Catholic Church. Which include Marriage preparation, the understanding of Catholic Marriage as a Sacrament, usually public announcement prior to, witnesses and a witness of the Church, usually a priest or deacon Etc. Their Marriage at this point is probably legal, but most likely not valid in view of the Church. They should speak with their pastors, go to confession and avoid any behavior that would suggest they were validly Married until they straighten this out.
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Old Mar 5, '06, 3:07 pm
Loren 1of6 Loren 1of6 is offline
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He's a Catholic, she's a Lutheran, and there is a baby on the way, so they are not in a valid marriage as far as the Church is concerned? They still need to have their marriage blessed by the Church before it will be considered either valid or sacramental, right?

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Old Mar 5, '06, 4:50 pm
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He's a Catholic, she's a Lutheran, and there is a baby on the way, so they are not in a valid marriage as far as the Church is concerned? They still need to have their marriage blessed by the Church before it will be considered either valid or sacramental, right?

Thanks for the help.
He being the Catholic does. Canon Law does not apply to her as a Lutheran. (not looking at the original post) If either he or she has a prior Marriage it will need to be submitted to the Tribunal for investigation before anything else is done.
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