Are there any Catholic theologions that fully understand the last book of the bible ?

[walt2000]

freesoulhope
yes ! walt2000

[JoeyWarren]

So what would 666 denote? Somebody stalled short of perfection, one who repeatedly denies the covenant, in short someone evil. Now does John have someone specific in mind, or is he using this as a symbol?

John 6:66 could very much apply to this. Also John could have been given a glimpse of the futuristic chapter and verse creation.

[thistle]

Originally Posted by walt2000

thistle
If you haven't already checked them out, James Akin wrote a few articles on the book of Revelation:

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/revstruc.htm

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/flowtime.htm

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/huntwhor.htm

Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read, Read,

Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read, Read,

Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read,Read, Read,
Thanks anawim
I don,t think It will sink inthistle this is for you,
I am saying the same thing, but a lot easier.

There is no Bible code!!
Instead of 35 years studying Revelations it would have been more productive focussing on the Gospels. EVERYTHING we need to know is in the Gospels. If there were no other books in the NT apart from the Gospels it would not matter because the fullness of truth is in the 4 Gospels.

[freesoulhope]

Originally Posted by thistle

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Your Cool!

[freesoulhope]

Thistle, its all good and well that we close are eyes to the problem. But the point is, there is a problem, there are misunderstandings, and people capitalise on those misunderstandings. Otherwise, like you say, nobody would pay any attention to revelations.

There may or may not be any bible code or any specail significance, but thats besides the point of learning about what revelation means and what all the specail sybolisom is trying to portray. For example who are the kings, who is the whore of babylon, who is the beast, what is the image of the beast. If you already know or feel that your have all the anwsers then fine, but i dont, and i want to know so that i can become more better in understanding scripture, and also refuting error.

Now you could say that the anwser is already there, and that we waste are time. I disagree, i think that if revelatons where not important, it would not be in the bible. Also if it was not ment for us to understand, then why is it there.

revelation is a message that is veiled by symbolisom. Some of that symbolisom is explained in revelation itself. How ever, people want to know out of intrest, what time and place in are reality is revelation refering to. And also, people need to be full in the understanding of what the message is saying, so that when people come along with error and deception using the book of revelations as a tool, then it can be fully refuted. This is what i am at least, trying to do, refute error.

[freesoulhope]

Has anybody realised that in revelations God tells John something, but then tells him never to tell anybody. In otherwords there were other revelations that are apart of Johns revelation that we might never know about. Why does God do that?

Ive come to the realisation that we might never fully understand revelations, but i think for the sake of preserving truth from error, and for those who are in the dark, i think we must at least try.

Also why was the scroll sweet but sour in his belly, when God told him to eat it? One more thing. There is a meteorite that is called worm wood, its spoils the oceans and poisons the water. Is this literal? I say a meterorite, because a star is to big! and would destroy the earth very easy.

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by freesoulhope

Has anybody realised that in revelations God tells John something, but then tells him never to tell anybody. In otherwords there were other revelations that are apart of Johns revelation that we might never know about. Why does God do that?

Yes I know about that and pondered it many times in my mind as to what is not to be told.

Maybe it was a Calendar on the Wall behind the Throne of God depicting the day when he will send his Son back to us?

[freesoulhope]

Its possible, that sounds like a good anwser. By reason, You may have stumbled on the truth . But we can never be sure

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by freesoulhope

Its possible, that sounds like a good anwser. By reason, You may have stumbled on the truth . But we can never be sure

LOL!

[freesoulhope]

JUst wandering. What does the word "lol" mean?

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by freesoulhope

JUst wandering. What does the word "lol" mean?

You can't be serious? Are you? in case you are it means "Laughing Out Loud" Standard Chat room acronyms....LOL!

[JoeyWarren]

The warning is rendered.
2 Peter 1:20

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And then it is finalized:

Rev 22: 18-19

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Even the attempt to interpret could either be taking away or adding to it. That is why the Church has had the wisdom to leave it alone. It will unveil itself when God decides too.

[JoeyWarren]

Originally Posted by freesoulhope

Is this literal? I say a meterorite, because a star is to big! and would destroy the earth very easy.

It is assumed that John did not know that a star was the same type of object as our own Sun. How long did people believe that a meteor was an actual star falling to the earth?

[walt2000]

There is no Bible code!!
Instead of 35 years studying Revelations it would have been more productive focussing on the Gospels. EVERYTHING we need to know is in the Gospels. If there were no other books in the NT apart from the Gospels it would not matter because the fullness of truth is in the 4 Gospels.

Yes,and probably in retrospect, it would be easyer, and every thing is in the the gospels,and every thing should be easyier, but revelations was, hidden for a reason,revelations was hidden, so not every body would understand, .I think It was put there so every body will not be able to know ,Just the sealed of GOD, The people, the people that have the seal of GOD in their forheads the one's that he wanted to under stand.The people that want to put the time into it, and not all people were meant to under stand.That's why there are so many interp. of it.People usually study some one else's opinion and don't want to study,They have a 15 minute attention span,GOD WANT'S you to form your oun.
When you go to a study group ,the leader there, has about a week or two looking at a set agenda, their not studying for them self's, their studying another person's work .There is a special blessing for those that work it out.For them self's.Walt.

[walt2000]

Even the attempt to interpret could either be taking away or adding to it. That is why the Church has had the wisdom to leave it alone. It will unveil itself when God decides too.walt