Original sin/ Islamic point of view

[Faith101]

i see you are stuck with " literal " words...does it surprise you that we people do not give it too much importance if it were the exact word of Jesus but it's meaning? these things are absolutely normal to us.

It does surprise me. As a Muslim, every statement has to be backed up with proof as to its source. No one can just say Mohamed said so and so without proof...the science of hadith, as you are probably aware. SO yes, it does surprise me that you can attribute things to Jesus without being sure that he ever said it.

So your statement of focusing on the meaning...i dont understand how you can focus on the meaning of words that Jesus may have never said. But if thats they way you do things, thats fine..but you cant argue that jesus said it

[Faith101]

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Your Lord is one is sent for specific people? Do not steal , murder, be good ecc are universal or limited?

Every messenger came with the same message: worship the one God. With that comes the natural laws of humans...but as to other laws such as the way we fast, pray, etc....those were limited to the people of that time..and werent perfected until the coming of the last messenger.

the scriptures refute this claim..but i'll go further than that : if God gave teachings to "certain" people, why does it have to be altered later? why does God allow that humans corrupt his Holy Word? why does God concede to the sinfulness of humans?

God didnt alter it. He just didnt protect it, as there was no need to.

You are making this into such a huge deal. You ask why does God concede to the sinfulness of humans...what does that have to do with anything. Is God conceding to the sinfulness of humans when he lets one man murder another?

according to Quran, there are 120 + prophets..so Allah failed to preserve the scripture of 120 prophets but didn't fail with a single man?

Every people got a messenger, that would make the prophets in the thousands....only a few do we actually know about.

Allah did not FAIL to do anything. Do you think it is due to the failure of God that human beings kill each other? Can't God protect his creation? Your logic is flawed, and its highly offensive to any God-believing human being.

so finally, after 120 prophets who failed, Allah decides that this one won't?? is he a discrimitation deity that billions of people get corrupted books but others no?

Patience is indeed a virtue.

I'll explain again. Those prophets were sent to a specific group of people. Thats it. THe final, protected message that is meant for all of mankind is now available at your local bookstore: the Quran.

You dont believe it. thats fine, but dont make illogical statments. please.

[Booklover]

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Originally Posted by inJESUS

Patience is indeed a virtue.

I'll explain again. Those prophets were sent to a specific group of people. Thats it. THe final, protected message that is meant for all of mankind is now available at your local bookstore: the Quran.

You dont believe it. thats fine, but dont make illogical statments. please.

Faith, how do you know that the angel that appeared to Mohammed, if indeed an angel did appear to him, was really Gabriel and not a devil?

How do you know that what Mohammed claimed happened was not just a hallucination or just simply made up by him? What actual proof do you have for any of his claims?

Why would God entrust his "Word" as a "private revelation" to a human being in the first place? Why would his "Word" just become a book? No human being can be the "perfect role model" except God himself. The only one who can truly show us the way to holiness and truth is God himself, and that is what he did by by assuming a human body and becoming "a man like us in all things except sin". This is why we believe:

459 The Word became flesh to be our model of holiness: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me". "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.." On the mountain of the Transfiguration, the Father commands: "Listen to him!" Jesus is the model for the Beatitudes and the norm of the new law: " Love one another as I have loved you." This love implies an effective offering of oneself, after his example.

IN BRIEF

479 At the time appointed by God, the only Son of the Father, the eternal Word, that is, the Word and substantial image of the Father, became incarnate; without losing his divine nature he has assumed human nature.

480 Jesus Christ is true God and true man, in the unity of his divine person; for this reason he is the one and only mediator between God and men.

Vickie