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Old Apr 12, '06, 6:16 am
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Question The Tablecloth at The Last Supper?

I don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but I was watching Mother Angelica yesterday and she had authorities on the Shroud of Turin as guests who suggested that perhaps the burial cloth of Jesus was really the tablecloth used at The Last Supper.

Did anyone catch this program? What are your thoughts?
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Old Apr 12, '06, 6:28 am
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I don't know if this has ever been discussed before, but I was watching Mother Angelica yesterday and she had authorities on the Shroud of Turin as guests who suggested that perhaps the burial cloth of Jesus was really the tablecloth used at The Last Supper.

Did anyone catch this program? What are your thoughts?
Did people use tablecloths 2000 years ago?
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Old Apr 12, '06, 6:50 am
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Did people use tablecloths 2000 years ago?
According to these experts they did. One of them was a Jewish convert to the Church, (I wish I could remember their names), but I thought it might make an interesting thread to discuss especially for those who did see the program or have studied this.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:05 am
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According to these experts they did. One of them was a Jewish convert to the Church, (I wish I could remember their names), but I thought it might make an interesting thread to discuss especially for those who did see the program or have studied this.
Re your original post it doesn't make sense to me for it to have been a tablecloth. Why would there be an image of the crucified Christ on a tablecloth? It makes much more sense for it to have been a burial cloth.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:30 am
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Re your original post it doesn't make sense to me for it to have been a tablecloth. Why would there be an image of the crucified Christ on a tablecloth? It makes much more sense for it to have been a burial cloth.
The theory is the tablecloth was used as the burial cloth, so He was wrapped in it and therefore contains His image. Not sure why they would not have cloth for the burial, but we do know that it was a hurried burial because of the time of day before the Sabboth.

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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:35 am
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Re your original post it doesn't make sense to me for it to have been a tablecloth. Why would there be an image of the crucified Christ on a tablecloth? It makes much more sense for it to have been a burial cloth.
I guess I didn't make it clear, the authorities on the Shroud theorize that it was first used at The Last Supper and then in the haste of burying Jesus before sundown, they used it as the burial cloth/the Shroud. they even showed stains on it that might possibly be wine stains (though they haven't yet been able to examine it yet for that). This program was essentially talking about their studies of the Shroud and this theory was an aside. I was just wondering what others who saw the program thought of it. I found it a fascinating concept.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:37 am
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The theory is the tablecloth was used as the burial cloth, so He was wrapped in it and therefore contains His image. Not sure why they would not have cloth for the burial, but we do know that it was a hurried burial because of the time of day before the Sabboth.

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That is an intriguing notion. That tablecloth would have really been an altar cloth, given that Jesus offered His Sacrifice upon it. I think it would have been very fitting for it to also be His burial shroud.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:40 am
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That is an intriguing notion. That tablecloth would have really been an altar cloth, given that Jesus offered His Sacrifice upon it. I think it would have been very fitting for it to also be His burial shroud.
Exactly! This is one of the reasons that I found it so interesting.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:44 am
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This thread reminds me of an Italian song popularized by Lou Monte......Lazy Mary


Lazy Mary you better get up"
She answered back, "I am not able"
"Lazy Mary you better get up
We need the sheets for the table"
"Lazy Mary you smoke in bed
There's only one man you should marry
My advice to you would be
Is to pay attention to me"
"You better marry a fireman he'll come and go,
Go and come sempr's la pompa a mano tiene




I don't believe a table cloth from the Last Supper was used as Jesus' burial cloth.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 7:47 am
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This thread reminds me of an Italian song popularized by Lou Monte......Lazy Mary


Lazy Mary you better get up"
She answered back, "I am not able"
"Lazy Mary you better get up
We need the sheets for the table"
"Lazy Mary you smoke in bed
There's only one man you should marry
My advice to you would be
Is to pay attention to me"
"You better marry a fireman he'll come and go,
Go and come sempr's la pompa a mano tiene




I don't believe a table cloth from the Last Supper was used as Jesus' burial cloth.
Well, if you look in the light of it as being the Altar Cloth at the First Mass it does.
I have to say I find that song you posted quite offensive as well since the whole thread is in reference to Our Lord.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 8:02 am
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Exactly! This is one of the reasons that I found it so interesting.
Right. The same cloth upon which His Body was broken and His Blood poured, then would hold His broken Body and poured-out Blood.

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Well, if you look in the light of it as being the Altar Cloth at the First Mass it does.
I have to say I find that song you posted quite offensive as well since the whole thread is in reference to Our Lord.
Actually I was first to find it offensive that someone suggested that a tablecloth was used as Jesus' burial cloth.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 8:11 am
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Actually I was first to find it offensive that someone suggested that a tablecloth was used as Jesus' burial cloth.
Not when it was suggested that it was indeed an Altar Cloth, my dear.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 8:15 am
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And when it was evening, there came a certain rich man of Arimathea, named Joseph, who also himself was a disciple of Jesus.


And Joseph taking the body wrapped it up in a clean linen cloth:

And laid it in his own new monument, which he had hewed out in a rock. And he rolled a great stone to the door of the monument and went his way. ( Matthew 27:57, 59-60)

Considering that Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man and that Jesus had is own new monument........I doubt very much that Joseph said " go get me the table cloth that was used at passover supper a few nights ago". I imagine that Joseph wrapped Jesus in a clean linen cloth. Not a cloth with food and wines stains.
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Old Apr 12, '06, 8:17 am
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And when it was evening, there came a certain rich man of Arimathea, named Joseph, who also himself was a disciple of Jesus.


And Joseph taking the body wrapped it up in a clean linen cloth:

And laid it in his own new monument, which he had hewed out in a rock. And he rolled a great stone to the door of the monument and went his way. ( Matthew 27:57, 59-60)

Considering that Joseph of Arimathea was a rich man and that Jesus had is own new monument........I doubt very much that Joseph said " go get me the table cloth that was used at passover supper a few nights ago. Joseph wrapped Jesus in a clean linen cloth. Not a cloth with food and wines stains.
It is only a theory. I was asking for input and I thank you for it.
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