Gloria on Feast Days

bknebel · #1 Dec 7, '06, 7:30 pm

Our parish held Holy Mass tonite for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (vigil Mass) and our organist began the Gloria but Father interrupted her. Its my understanding that because its a Holy day of Obligation that there is to be a Gloria. Am I wrong?

WanderAimlessly · #2 Dec 7, '06, 7:35 pm

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Originally Posted by bknebel

Our parish held Holy Mass tonite for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (vigil Mass) and our organist began the Gloria but Father interrupted her. Its my understanding that because its a Holy day of Obligation that there is to be a Gloria. Am I wrong?

Not sure. It was sung at my new parish this evening. Outside of Lent and Advent, yes. Within, I am not sure, but I would say probably.

Animadversor · #3 Dec 7, '06, 7:57 pm

The Gloria ought to have been used: It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character. From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, #53.

LCMS_No_More · #4 Dec 7, '06, 8:58 pm

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The Gloria ought to have been used: It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character. From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, #53.

Yep. This evening, the Mass was pretty much akin to a full-on Sunday Mass with Gloria, Creed, Prayer of the Faithful, etc. Also, lots of incense.

It was heavenly!

jbuck919 · #5 Dec 7, '06, 9:09 pm

Irrespective of whether it is right or wrong, the priest had no business embarrassing the organist like that. The Gloria is not "scheduled," shall we say, for any number of occasions, but the fact that it can be sung even on Sundays during Lent means that it is never, with the possibly sole exception of Good Friday, which is not a Mass in the first place, inappropriate.

John Lilburne · #6 Dec 7, '06, 11:40 pm

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Originally Posted by bknebel

Our parish held Holy Mass tonite for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (vigil Mass) and our organist began the Gloria but Father interrupted her. Its my understanding that because its a Holy day of Obligation that there is to be a Gloria. Am I wrong?

The Gloria is required, but not because it is a Holy Day of Obligation. All Solemnities and Feasts are to include it, but not Memorials.

From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from http://www.romanrite.com/girm.html :

"53. ... It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character."

The 2002 Roman Missal lists it specifically in the Mass for the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary on 8 December. It has in Latin: "Dicitur Gloria in excelsis." (Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 878.)

Psalm45:9 · #7 Dec 8, '06, 2:31 am

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Originally Posted by bknebel

Our parish held Holy Mass tonite for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (vigil Mass) and our organist began the Gloria but Father interrupted her. Its my understanding that because its a Holy day of Obligation that there is to be a Gloria. Am I wrong?

The Immaculate Conception is the only day during Advent in which the Gloria is permitted because it is a Solemnity. The Gloria is only allowed to be said two times during Lent on the Solemnities of St. Joseph and the Annunciation of the Lord.

bknebel · #8 Dec 8, '06, 5:47 am

Thanks, all!

Chatter163 · #9 Dec 8, '06, 7:44 am

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The Immaculate Conception is the only day during Advent in which the Gloria is permitted because it is a Solemnity. The Gloria is only allowed to be said two times during Lent on the Solemnities of St. Joseph and the Annunciation of the Lord.

Our Lady of Guadalupe on 12 December is ranked as a feast throughout the Americas, including in the USA. The Gloria is to be said on that day, as well.

As for Lent, the feast of St. Peter's chair is on 22 February, which sometimes falls in Lent. When it does, the Gloria is said.

az 4 faith · #10 Dec 8, '06, 12:39 pm

Why is it sooooo hard for priests to get things right liturgically? I get so frustrated I can barely stand it.

Same thing at our Catholic high school mass this morning - no Gloria, no Creed on this beautiful Solemnity Mass Day.

I feel cheated since it's the only time during Advent that we have the Gloria. And since it's a high school, I'd love to join the students in professing the Creed.

But no . . . Father feels it slows down the Mass. Arghghgh!!

A2SciTeach · #11 Dec 9, '06, 7:45 am

We had the opposite at Mass last night - the organist did not start the Gloria after we had sung the Kyrie - the priest looked up at the choir loft, then led the recitation of the Gloria while the organ remained silent.

BrooklynBoy200 · #12 Dec 9, '06, 10:53 am

When aren't you allowed to say Gloria?

John Lilburne · #13 Dec 9, '06, 12:22 pm

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When aren't you allowed to say Gloria?

We mean "the Gloria" the prayer beginning "Glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth ...".

From the 2002 GIRM n. 53: "It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character."

So generally it should not be said at Masses on:
-- Monday to Saturday.
-- Sundays in Lent and Advent

Except:
-- feast days of the rank Solemnity or Feast
-- "special celebrations of a more solemn nature".

This "special celebrations" gives extra flexibility to the priest. My understanding is that outside of Lent and Advent the priest would be free to include the Gloria during the week. The special celebration may be a wedding, feast of the rank Memorial or Mass with a particulary large congregation.

mary bobo · #14 Dec 9, '06, 2:21 pm

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Originally Posted by John Lilburne

We mean "the Gloria" the prayer beginning "Glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth ...".

From the 2002 GIRM n. 53: "It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character."

So generally it should not be said at Masses on:
-- Monday to Saturday.
-- Sundays in Lent and Advent

Except:
-- feast days of the rank Solemnity or Feast
-- "special celebrations of a more solemn nature".

This "special celebrations" gives extra flexibility to the priest. My understanding is that outside of Lent and Advent the priest would be free to include the Gloria during the week. The special celebration may be a wedding, feast of the rank Memorial or Mass with a particulary large congregation.

One of the feasts that are celebrated is the Immaculate Comception. Our priests wore white vestments, the Gloria was sung accompanied not only by an organ but with trumpets.