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Old Mar 8, '07, 3:39 pm
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Default Masterbation uncertainty

I am in the last year of my teens and up until now I have lived outside the word of God. I am now resolved to love him as much as he loves the whole world, yet on of my mental sticking points is masterbation. Jesus taught us to love and respect ourselves and our bodies, yet is masterbation disrespectful to one's body. If I am hungry between meals I feed myself, likewise with thirst. If I am tired I rest myself. If I have an itch, (no pun intended) I scratch it. Therefor, why am I disallowed to to provide this particular type of releaf as long as I do not do it in contemt and ignorance of God? (please not, i'm not arguing a point, i'm seeking guidance in a manner):banghead:
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Old Mar 8, '07, 4:06 pm
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I was told by a priest long ago (when I was about your age):

"Masturbation is like picking your nose. Just don't do it in public."

Of course, there are many others who will tell you it is a disordered practice and hence, a sin. I don't agree - but then, I'm no longer Catholic either.
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Old Mar 8, '07, 4:09 pm
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I am in the last year of my teens and up until now I have lived outside the word of God. I am now resolved to love him as much as he loves the whole world, yet on of my mental sticking points is masterbation. Jesus taught us to love and respect ourselves and our bodies, yet is masterbation disrespectful to one's body. If I am hungry between meals I feed myself, likewise with thirst. If I am tired I rest myself. If I have an itch, (no pun intended) I scratch it. Therefor, why am I disallowed to to provide this particular type of releaf as long as I do not do it in contemt and ignorance of God? (please not, i'm not arguing a point, i'm seeking guidance in a manner)
Hi there Mellon00collie. Thank you for asking this question here, I believe there are loads of very knowledeable people who would help you understand.

I'd like to ask you first off if you are Catholic? And do you believe that the Catholic Church hold the whole Truth?

Thanks!
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Old Mar 8, '07, 4:50 pm
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It does hurt your body and spirit in many real ways.

The immoral images you host while "scratching that itch" are not only sinful, but also begin to desensitize you to stimulation so that you have to find more and more before you can become as stimulated. This can make it hard or even impossible for a normal sexy woman to excite you. So then normal sex loses interest for you. Just take a moment to realize how backwards it would be that rather than spending an evening making love to your wife, you'd perfer to spend it alone with your hand down your pants. But it is common among masturbaters.

It's also disrespecting the gift of sex that God gave us. The whole reason He gave us these urges was to let us enjoy the full experience. When you get hungry, do you eat dirt? When you get thirsty, do you drink oil? Then why would you do the equivalent when it comes to sex? Food was meant for our hunger, water for our thirst, and sex for our urges.

And the whole idea of when you're hungry eat, thirsty drink, and...um..."itchy" then "scratch" isn't a reasonable argument. What if a guy gets "itchy" for his girlfriend on a date. Does he have every right to "scratch" that "itch"? There are rapists who have used the argument that they just couldn't help themselves. We MUST practice self control, even with ourselves.

If you truly love God, you have to accept ALL He commands, whether it makes sense to you or not. I really encourage you to trust in God on this one! He does know WAY more than we ever could.

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Old Mar 8, '07, 6:18 pm
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"Hi there Mellon00collie. Thank you for asking this question here, I believe there are loads of very knowledeable people who would help you understand.

I'd like to ask you first off if you are Catholic? And do you believe that the Catholic Church hold the whole Truth?

Thanks!"

Yes, I suppose I would be classified as a Catholic, though I believe that to hold with one organization or person "whole truth" is to say that this person/organization fully inderstands God, which isn't possible. However, theirs is my chosen method to worship God
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Old Mar 8, '07, 6:19 pm
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It does hurt your body and spirit in many real ways.

The immoral images you host while "scratching that itch" are not only sinful, but also begin to desensitize you to stimulation so that you have to find more and more before you can become as stimulated. This can make it hard or even impossible for a normal sexy woman to excite you. So then normal sex loses interest for you. Just take a moment to realize how backwards it would be that rather than spending an evening making love to your wife, you'd perfer to spend it alone with your hand down your pants. But it is common among masturbaters.

It's also disrespecting the gift of sex that God gave us. The whole reason He gave us these urges was to let us enjoy the full experience. When you get hungry, do you eat dirt? When you get thirsty, do you drink oil? Then why would you do the equivalent when it comes to sex? Food was meant for our hunger, water for our thirst, and sex for our urges.

And the whole idea of when you're hungry eat, thirsty drink, and...um..."itchy" then "scratch" isn't a reasonable argument. What if a guy gets "itchy" for his girlfriend on a date. Does he have every right to "scratch" that "itch"? There are rapists who have used the argument that they just couldn't help themselves. We MUST practice self control, even with ourselves.

If you truly love God, you have to accept ALL He commands, whether it makes sense to you or not. I really encourage you to trust in God on this one! He does know WAY more than we ever could.

Thank you for your input

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Old Mar 8, '07, 7:26 pm
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Human sexuality has a purpose. Since we have rational souls, created in the image and likeness of God, we are more than just animals. However, beautifully, we are not angels--we have bodies as well as spirits.

This means that for human beings, bodily things have a purpose which must be determined by our rational nature. The purpose of human sexuality is procreation within the context of marriage. We can know this on the natural level because of the natural complementarity man and woman. A man and a woman together can beget children. There is also a very important spiritual element. Since our souls are the form of our bodies, sexual intercourse is a spiritual action which requires the commitment that the act naturally conveys.

Since the use of sexuality is a spiritual as well as a physical affair, it is wrong to use the sexual faculty outside of its intended purpose.

I recommend reading something by Christopher West for a much better explanation than I can give.
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Old Mar 8, '07, 7:30 pm
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Yes, I suppose I would be classified as a Catholic, though I believe that to hold with one organization or person "whole truth" is to say that this person/organization fully inderstands God, which isn't possible. However, theirs is my chosen method to worship God
Not to get too off-topic, but the Church doesn't claim to understand God fully--that is impossible to anyone except God. The Church simply claims to have the fullness of the truth that Christ willed. This is not supposed to sound triumphalistic. The Church simply recognizes with great humility this gift that Christ gave to the world when he established the Catholic Church. Her "possession" of the truth is a gift from God and not something that the Church has merited herself.
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Yes, I suppose I would be classified as a Catholic, though I believe that to hold with one organization or person "whole truth" is to say that this person/organization fully inderstands God, which isn't possible. However, theirs is my chosen method to worship God
On my road to conversion this is something I struggled with at first. It certainly takes humility and love to concede to God's plan and truth. The Church has the fullness of truth because it is God's truth. Like Dylanschrader said it doesn't mean there aren't Holy Mysteries, just that the Church is has the fullness of truth. If your like me and come from a society that exalts the individual self, then it can be harder to break those tendencies for self-interpretation of morality. All I have to say is seek and you will find.
My prayers are with you as far as overcoming masturbation goes. I think the first thing you can do to fight it, is to pray and recognize what it realy is, it is extremely oppressive. Read about the Church's stance on sexuality, and you may be able see the bigger picture better. It will be a battle, trust me! If you fall down get right back up, and don't despair. Trade the hot firebrand of lust for the cool refreshment of chastity. If you chose to, with God's help, you'll get through it I know it!

God Bless.

Oh and heres a link I found very useful to help understand things you must abide by (you should seek understanding, but to have dificulty understanding them (the things you should abide by) is not wrong, but to deny them is) in faith as a catholic, another poster showed it to me not too long ago. http://www.ewtn.com/library/Theology/SUMMARY.HTM
hope it helps some.

Last edited by Dranu; Mar 8, '07 at 7:44 pm. Reason: to correlate with an earlier post, I made this one before I knew the one above answered most of it.
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Old Mar 8, '07, 8:01 pm
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The immoral images... also begin to desensitize you to stimulation so that you have to find more and more before you can become as stimulated. This can make it hard or even impossible for a normal sexy woman to excite you. So then normal sex loses interest for you. Just take a moment to realize how backwards it would be that rather than spending an evening making love to your wife, you'd perfer to spend it alone with your hand down your pants. But it is common among masturbaters.
You have a theory. I have experience which tells me otherwise. My experience trumps your theory. What you say here is completely untrue.

There is nothing, nothing physically unhealthy about occasional masturbation.

If you wish to make a case that it is unhealthy spiritually, then by all means go ahead, but don't even try to suggest that spanking the monkey causes physical harm. It is simply not true.
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Old Mar 8, '07, 8:09 pm
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I would say there is no doubt it is spiritualy harmful, but in a material sense, I would argue it can also be psychologicaly harmful, but psychology is half philosophy.

I don't know enough myself to argue anythign about actual physical harm, but alot of evil things can benifit you materialy, while destroying your soul.
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Old Mar 8, '07, 8:22 pm
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Jesus taught us to love and respect ourselves and our bodies, yet is masterbation disrespectful to one's body.
First, dear friend, I MUST correct you on your spelling (because this one drives me CRAZY): it's masturbation.

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If I am hungry between meals I feed myself, likewise with thirst. If I am tired I rest myself. If I have an itch, (no pun intended) I scratch it.
Eating food has a purpose. We eat to provide our bodies with calories which convert to energy which allows us to function. Without food, we would die. There is the element of pleasure to eating however, if we ONLY ate for the pleasure of it, that would be a DISORDER. People who eat compulsively and become grossly obese have a disorder. Likewise, people who suffer with bulimia will binge to obtain the pleasure of food but then try to rid themselves of the calories (or necessary nutrients). This is also a disorder. This same principal could be applied to all the examples you gave, i.e., sleeping too much, itching compulsively. When you attempt to separate and abuse the pleasure of something from it's purpose, you create disorder.
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Therefor, why am I disallowed to to provide this particular type of releaf as long as I do not do it in contemt and ignorance of God?
The purpose of sex is unitive AND procreative within the confines of marriage. Masturbation, a solitary and selfish act, separates the pleasure from the purpose. Make sense?
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Old Mar 8, '07, 9:02 pm
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Eating food has a purpose. We eat to provide our bodies with calories which convert to energy which allows us to function. Without food, we would die. There is the element of pleasure to eating however, if we ONLY ate for the pleasure of it, that would be a DISORDER. People who eat compulsively and become grossly obese have a disorder. Likewise, people who suffer with bulimia will binge to obtain the pleasure of food but then try to rid themselves of the calories (or necessary nutrients). This is also a disorder. This same principal could be applied to all the examples you gave, i.e., sleeping too much, itching compulsively. When you attempt to separate and abuse the pleasure of something from it's purpose, you create disorder.
Very good point Blessedtoo!
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Old Mar 9, '07, 1:36 am
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I go back and forth in my opinions on this topic based on what different priests tell me and what I like to pick and choose to believe. I believe masterbation to be a sin but I don't think it always warrants not receiving communion. If one knows it is wrong, tries to stop but occasionally slips up then I don't think it is a mortal sin.
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Old Mar 9, '07, 1:49 am
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You have a theory. I have experience which tells me otherwise. My experience trumps your theory.
Did I mention I was a "recovered" masturbater? I'm not talking theories any more than you are.

If you don't believe it desensitizes you, then you shouldn't need anything new to stimulate you. The images you already have in your head are enough. Here's a theory: I bet you don't use the same old images. I bet you buy new magazines/movies or search the internet for new stuff frequently. Why do you think the porn industry is so successful. The old stuff won't do you for long.

Not to mention masturbation is addicting. Anything that takes hold of you as an addiction is not healthy.

Physically, I got a rash on my legs and, though it's been some time now, that area is still prone to getting rashes easily. Masturbating also made it difficult to urinate when I needed.

If you want more info from others who are "experienced", I recommend reading the other thread about masturbation under Moral Theology. There is a guy who has been masturbating and having marital problems.

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