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View Poll Results: Did Judas Betray Jesus
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Sep 12, '04, 1:55 pm
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Did Judas betray Jesus?
The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.
The TV script about this says the word translated "betray" also means to "hand over" which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.
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Sep 12, '04, 4:22 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born." It would seem rather harsh of Jesus to say this of someone who was carrying out His orders.
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Sep 12, '04, 4:28 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Originally Posted by BayCityRickL
The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.
The TV script about this says the word translated "betray" also means to "hand over" which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.
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Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.
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Sep 12, '04, 5:04 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.
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Sep 12, '04, 7:18 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.
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I must also applaud that answer since he did go and hang himself over it. If it was a prearranged plan as you say Judas could have went on in life knowing that he did what was asked of him.
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Sep 12, '04, 9:49 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Originally Posted by BayCityRickL
The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.
The TV script about this says the word translated "betray" also means to "hand over" which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.
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We can try to clean his image all we want, but how is one to explain Jesus' words to him? "It would have been better for you never to have been born than for you to have betrayed the Son of Man."
Talk about strong words!
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Sep 13, '04, 6:32 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.
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Judas had free will, as we all do.
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When has the TV ever been right about anything?
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the word translated "betray" also means to "hand over" which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.
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Who among us have not been a Judas? Who among has not denied/betrayed/ handed over Jesus in some fassion or another? The difference is that we (I hope) ask and receive for forgiveness.
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Sep 13, '04, 2:22 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
Yep, Matt26:24........strong words, "It is better that you were never born".
Judas was a man; therefore he had a "free will". Jesus Himself said Judas betrayed Him.
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Sep 14, '04, 3:28 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Who among us have not been a Judas?
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Excellent point.
There are two Judases in the Gospels. The first and most obvious is the Judas, meaning Judas Iscariot. The other "Judas" is Peter, who also betrayed Jesus by denying him three times.
-- Mark L. Chance.
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Sep 14, '04, 7:51 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
The liberal media has rewritten the Gospel to suit their own point of view? Wow! What was the date? I'll bet it's the first time this has ever happened.
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Sep 14, '04, 9:15 am
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Excellent point.
There are two Judases in the Gospels. The first and most obvious is the Judas, meaning Judas Iscariot. The other "Judas" is Peter, who also betrayed Jesus by denying him three times.
-- Mark L. Chance.
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But there is quite a difference between the two. One DID NOT repent from his sin, the other did and became the head of the Apostolic College.
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Sep 14, '04, 11:09 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
Jesus, as God, has already judged jJdas whilst on earth. It is all recorded in Sacred Scriptures that indeed Judas did betray the Son of God.
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Sep 14, '04, 11:12 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
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Originally Posted by BayCityRickL
The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.
The TV script about this says the word translated "betray" also means to "hand over" which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.
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Of course he betrayed Jesus. If you say otherwise you are basically saying that Jesus was very cruel because he would use a human to betray him, the Son of God. We were given free choice, Judas was no different than any of us.
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Sep 14, '04, 11:14 am
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
Jesus said that the one who would betray him would have been better off never being born.
I don't think he would arrange it so that Judas would have done what he did and then judge him on it.
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Sep 14, '04, 12:16 pm
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Re: Did Judas betray Jesus?
There is no evidence whatsoever of any plan between Jesus and Judas, except in the not so fertile imagination of those who would diminish Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. When these types of idiots, like those on the Jesus Seminar, make unwarranted claims, the burden should be on them to prove their case. The same goes for the DaVinci Code and other similar fairy tales.
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