Supreme Court Backs Ban on Abortion Procedure - Page 3

BioCatholic · #31 Apr 18, '07, 9:09 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by juansmommy

I am soooo glad now all partial birth abortions are NOW ILLEGAL.. At least now thoes babies who would of been killed that way may live. THIS IS A GREAT DAY ...Thank you God.

No they aren't. Only in cases "in or affecting interstate commerce". If the procedure doesn't cross a state line, or isn't involved in the commerce between states, then the Federal law does not apply. Congress does not have the power to just ban something completely like that.

from the law:

Quote:

Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce,

And just how does a physician performing one in NY affect interstate or foreign commerce?

**rlg94086** · #32 Apr 18, '07, 9:13 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioCatholic

Well that takes care of any challenges to Roe v Wade. In essence, the government can ban PROCEDURES is finds to be unnecessary, but cannot altogether ban abortion.

Kennedy and the majority just added to stare decisis even more grounds to keep abortion legal. Any state total abortion bans will probably now be refused to even be heard by the current Court.

Not at all. His wording is not that strong. All he was doing was justifying the decision in light of Roe v Wade. IOW, he is saying that this ruling doesn't overturn Roe.

Biblioassistant · #33 Apr 18, '07, 9:14 am

Fred! Fred! Fred!!! Go Fred!!

Can you guess I like Fred?

He's the only viable choice right now for pro-life folks like me. Herself and Obama never saw an abortion that they didn't like, and if one of them gets elected, it will be a sad time for pro-lifers (especially when he/she gets around to appointing judges

**rlg94086** · #34 Apr 18, '07, 9:15 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioCatholic

No they aren't. Only in cases "in or affecting interstate commerce". If the procedure doesn't cross a state line, or isn't involved in the commerce between states, then the Federal law does not apply. Congress does not have the power to just ban something completely like that.

from the law:

And just how does a physician performing one in NY affect interstate or foreign commerce?

What it allows is for the states to ban the procedure. This is important. One step closer to allowing the states to ban all abortion procedures...which would, in fact, be a reversal of Roe v. Wade.

Mac6yver · #35 Apr 18, '07, 9:18 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by estesbob

Hopefully we no longer hear from supposedly pro-life Catholics that the Republican party and Bush have done nothing to advance the cause of life. Parties do matter and it does matter which party occupies the White House.

We will soon see people telling us how this in no big deal(in fact it has already reared its head in this thread). But ifs it is nor big deal why have the forces of death fought it tooth and nail for the last 15 years?

You fell for it, hook, line and sinker. This just means that particular method is banned, nothing more.

**rlg94086** · #36 Apr 18, '07, 9:22 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac6yver

You fell for it, hook, line and sinker. This just means that particular method is banned, nothing more.

Fell for what? Progress? One banned procedure is a start.

Just because abortion hasn't been eliminated doesn't mean the Republicans haven't made any progress. What have the Democrats done to advance life issues?

**vern humphrey** · #37 Apr 18, '07, 9:23 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac6yver

You fell for it, hook, line and sinker. This just means that particular method is banned, nothing more.

There is an old saying, "The perfect is the enemy of the good."

Many people reject progress because the early steps don't get us all the way to the goal. That's a mistake.

beckers · #38 Apr 18, '07, 9:23 am

check out what thomas said

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority:
I write separately to reiterate my view that the court's abortion jurisprudence, including Casey and Roe v. Wade, has no basis in the Constitution.

**estesbob** · #39 Apr 18, '07, 9:25 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioCatholic

Well that takes care of any challenges to Roe v Wade. In essence, the government can ban PROCEDURES is finds to be unnecessary, but cannot altogether ban abortion.

Kennedy and the majority just added to stare decisis even more grounds to keep abortion legal. Any state total abortion bans will probably now be refused to even be heard by the current Court.

I know you are trying desperately to denigarte this decison but no matter how you parse it is a HUGE victory for pro-life.If what you say is true why did pro-abortion advocates oppose it so vehemently? Why did they declare it a great victory the last time it was overturned? Why did they fight it in every state it was proposed in?

As I said befoe this decision removes the fig leaf that Catholics who vote for abortion supporters haven used to rationalize their vote. If for no other reason tha that it is a huge vicotry

beckers · #40 Apr 18, '07, 9:26 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlg94086

What it allows is for the states to ban the procedure. This is important. One step closer to allowing the states to ban all abortion procedures...which would, in fact, be a reversal of Roe v. Wade.

Yep that is what i think people are forgetting. the lower courts now know that the Superme court is going to uphold limitation on abortion. So maybe the lower courts won't jump to the gun and start overturning laws that get passed limiting abortion.

**estesbob** · #41 Apr 18, '07, 9:29 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac6yver

You fell for it, hook, line and sinker. This just means that particular method is banned, nothing more.

I havent fell fo anything. I have dedicated the last 25 years of my life to working to bring this modern day holocaust to an end. I know these issues inside and out. This is a huge victory. Sorry it upsets you.

I checked out your prior posts. There are a lot like this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MiddleBear

Vote Republican!

Mac6yver Yes! It has done us so much good for the past nearly 7 years....

"

You evidently are one of those who vote for the Party of death and rationalize it by saying on Life issues it doesnt matter which party you support. No wonder you are desperatley trying to denigrate this decision. You are being forced to view the horror you support while your primarily rationale for supporting it has been yanked out from under you.

beckers · #42 Apr 18, '07, 9:44 am

"The Act also recognizes that respect for human life finds an ultimate expression in a mother’s love for her child. Whether to have an abortion requires a difficult and painful moral decision, Casey, 505 U. S., at 852.853, which some women come to regret. In a decision so fraught with emotional consequence, some doctors may prefer not to disclose precise details of the abortion procedure to be used."

Wow the court saying that life is important and that women regret there abortions later....Where is that crow bar???

beckers · #43 Apr 18, '07, 9:46 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlg94086

That's why we need to fight hard to return a Republican majority to the Senate, and another pro-life (sorry Giuliani, but you don't cut it) Republican president.

Now look what he is saying.....

Rudy's Overwhelming Endorsement [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

At least we have this:

New York City – Rudy Giuliani made the following statement today regarding the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the Congressional ban on partial birth abortion:

"The Supreme Court reached the correct conclusion in upholding the congressional ban on partial birth abortion. I agree with it."

I am so not buying it after his other comments....we need a real life-supporter. maybe this will give us some steam in pushing in a true life supporter.

**gilliam** · #44 Apr 18, '07, 10:20 am

President Bush Pleased by Supreme Court's Decision to Uphold Partial-Birth Abortion Ban

I am pleased that the Supreme Court upheld a law that prohibits the abhorrent procedure of partial-birth abortion. Today's decision affirms that the Constitution does not stand in the way of the people's representatives enacting laws reflecting the compassion and humanity of America. The partial-birth abortion ban, which an overwhelming bipartisan majority in Congress passed and I signed into law, represents a commitment to building a culture of life in America.

The Supreme Court's decision is an affirmation of the progress we have made over the past six years in protecting human dignity and upholding the sanctity of life. We will continue to work for the day when every child is welcomed in life and protected in law.

# # #

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070418-1.html

mary bobo · #45 Apr 18, '07, 10:35 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by beckers

check out what thomas said

Justice Clarence Thomas, concurring with the majority:
I write separately to reiterate my view that the court's abortion jurisprudence, including Casey and Roe v. Wade, has no basis in the Constitution.

As I recall, Justice Ginsberg said that Roe v Wade was not a good decision Constitutionally, and she is pro-abortion.