Pray and fast for conversion of James White

[Mijoy2]

Originally Posted by Atemi

"For the conversion of James White"?

This arrogantly assumes that he is not a Christian and lost in his sins.

If you are not arrogantly assuming that he is not a Christian, what on earth are you calling him to convert to?

Your church??

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Yes Atemi. The fullness of the Truth, The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Church founded by Christ, the Church build on the rock who is Peter, the Church guided by the Holy Spirit the third person of the Trinity.

The Catholic Church.

[Randy Carson]

Originally Posted by Atemi

We should be converting the lost to faith in Christ, not to our churches.

Will you be vigilant in reminding the many Protestants who visit this board of this
"fact" when they begin their rants against "Romanism"?

I don't recall seeing you speaking up on this previously...

[Peleus]

Originally Posted by water

Yes, it is your belief and your suspect,
Did you mean he couldn't get out because of the good money he is making....?


Thanks!

Yes. I think he stumbled upon a market and has made a career out of Anti-Catholicism. I think he has painted himself into a corner spiritually, and liken his situation to that of Jesse Jackson who has made a (more than) comfortable living out of supposed racism in America.

I don't really know or care how much money he has made (certainly only a pittance compared to Jackson) and don't begrudge anyone making a good living based in talking and writing about religion. I only care about his soul and those of the people he leeds astray.

I would hope he realizes that there is a strong market for books and speaking engagements for converted Catholics---probably larger than for some of his other material.

It's not just money, though. There is certainly a lot of pressure on him at this point from those who support him and he would be labelled a traitor by many people. Not to mention the crow he would have to eat. No matter what he believes in his heart---there is no question it would be a difficult road to hoe.

I'm sure he'd scoff at this but....I actually feel sorry for him.

All of the above is strictly my opinion and is not necessarily important to the prayers for his conversion.

[Atemi]

Originally Posted by Mijoy2

Yes Atemi. The fullness of the Truth, The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, the Church founded by Christ, the Church build on the rock who is Peter, the Church guided by the Holy Spirit the third person of the Trinity.

The Catholic Church.

Then you keep seeking converts to your church and others can get about the business of converting souls to Christ.

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[Michael Howard]

Originally Posted by Peleus

Many believe that Mr. James White has led many people astray and makes his living by promoting anti-Catholicism.

It is my belief that Mr. White knows more than anyone how untruthful he is regarding the Catholic Church and that he is sort of "stuck" by making a good living out of Anti-Catholicism.

He is a smart man who needs the Holy Spirit to open his heart for change.

I am asking that all here who have such an opinion (or worse!) put their efforts into not bashing him, but praying for him this week.

I ask that you commit to a day of prayer and fasting for the conversion of James White on this coming Friday, May 11th.

Please "sign here" and commit to praying at least once every hour you are awake on Friday.

Please also commit to fasting from meat this Friday as a form of prayer for the conversion of James White.

Please also mention here if you have recruited someone (offline) to pray that day for him.

I really feel strongly about this, James White has a tremendous gift of debate for sure I'll give him credit where credit is due, but I do not feel this man is at peace or free in anyway. I feel that he is very angry and "wounded" comes to mind when I listen to him. He is an absolute debate addict harassing folks with e-mails and coercing them too debates.

I pray simply that God allows James to know His absolute mercy and love and that the things that brought him to this place can be healed. I think it's important to keep in mind as we pray for him it's not about scoring points for the team, like all of us James White is a human being in need of the mercy of Christ. I pray that he may recieve the fullness of Jesus in His church that James may come to know the power of the sacraments just as Patty Bonds has.

I am also going to devote more time to praying for our Protestant brothers and sisters here as well especially in the 3:00 hour, the hour of mercy.

[Curious]

When a Protestant leaves one denomination to join another, we call it "just another Sunday".

[ccfbob]

Originally Posted by Atemi:
Then you keep seeking converts to your church and others can get about the business of converting souls to Christ.

Again, lets do a comparison: You go about "converting souls to Christ".

The Cathoilc position is to pray for and "let go and let God". Not some high pressure tactic that I have eseen so many times in my family, and my life.

BTW it is HIS Church, not ours.

[elvisman]

Originally Posted by Atemi

We should be converting the lost to faith in Christ, not to our churches.

WRONG AGAIN, Atemi!
What does Jesus tell Saul in Acts 9:4-5?

"He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?"
He said, "Who are you, sir?" The reply came, "I am JESUS, WHOM YOU ARE PERSECUTING."

To persecute Christ's Church is to persecute HIM.
Jesus and his Church are ONE.
You ARE right about ONE thing, though, Atemi - you SHOULDN'T be coverting ANYONE to your "Churches". Jesus established only ONE CHURCH.

[Michael Howard]

Originally Posted by elvisman

WRONG AGAIN, Atemi!
What does Jesus tell Saul in Acts 9:4-5?

"He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?"
He said, "Who are you, sir?" The reply came, "I am JESUS, WHOM YOU ARE PERSECUTING."

To persecute Christ's Church is to persecute HIM.
Jesus and his Church are ONE.
You ARE right about ONE thing, though, Atemi - you SHOULDN'T be coverting ANYONE to your "Churches". Jesus established only ONE CHURCH.

AMMMMMMMMENNNN....preach it!!! Good word

[Michael Howard]

Originally Posted by Peleus

Many believe that Mr. James White has led many people astray and makes his living by promoting anti-Catholicism.

It is my belief that Mr. White knows more than anyone how untruthful he is regarding the Catholic Church and that he is sort of "stuck" by making a good living out of Anti-Catholicism.

He is a smart man who needs the Holy Spirit to open his heart for change.

I am asking that all here who have such an opinion (or worse!) put their efforts into not bashing him, but praying for him this week.

I ask that you commit to a day of prayer and fasting for the conversion of James White on this coming Friday, May 11th.

Please "sign here" and commit to praying at least once every hour you are awake on Friday.

Please also commit to fasting from meat this Friday as a form of prayer for the conversion of James White.

Please also mention here if you have recruited someone (offline) to pray that day for him.

Would anyone be willing to extend this prayer for Mr. Whites conversion on Friday into a 54 day Rosary novena?

[clmowry]

And which Christian faith should that be?

I guess the one that eaches Christ isn't really God; or the one that teaches that miracles can't happen; or the one that teaches that homosexual acts are fine with God; or the one that teaches that divorce is fine; etc.

Pretty much doesn't make a difference right? As long as they occasionally reverence christ and refer to some parts of the bible its all good right?

Chuck

Originally Posted by Atemi

We should be converting the lost to faith in Christ, not to our churches.

[Contarini]

Originally Posted by Peleus

It is my belief that Mr. White knows more than anyone how untruthful he is regarding the Catholic Church and that he is sort of "stuck" by making a good living out of Anti-Catholicism.

That is a bizarre and illogical opinion. You have no reason for thinking it except your irrational belief that the truth of Catholicism is self-evident.

And you sound very like James White in using this kind of rhetoric. He is convinced that everyone who disagrees with him is suppressing the truth of God or whatever. You as a Catholic don't need to sign on to this nonsense. Which means that if possible you are even less excusable than he.

People of good faith differ on all sorts of stuff. Get over it.

Furthermore, I can't see that White misrepresents Catholicism in any blatant way. He interprets it unsympathetically, and in that sense misrepresents it. But he does take care to get the basic facts right, unlike many anti-Catholic polemicists. His problem is that he has bad theology, period.

Edwin

[Atemi]

Originally Posted by clmowry

And which Christian faith should that be?

I guess the one that eaches Christ isn't really God; or the one that teaches that miracles can't happen; or the one that teaches that homosexual acts are fine with God; or the one that teaches that divorce is fine; etc.

Pretty much doesn't make a difference right? As long as they occasionally reverence christ and refer to some parts of the bible its all good right?

Chuck

If you cannot define "faith in Christ" in any tangible way, then that is something you will need to work on.

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[Atemi]

Originally Posted by elvisman

WRONG AGAIN, Atemi!
What does Jesus tell Saul in Acts 9:4-5?

"He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting ME?"
He said, "Who are you, sir?" The reply came, "I am JESUS, WHOM YOU ARE PERSECUTING."

To persecute Christ's Church is to persecute HIM.
Jesus and his Church are ONE.
You ARE right about ONE thing, though, Atemi - you SHOULDN'T be coverting ANYONE to your "Churches". Jesus established only ONE CHURCH.

I know you love to assume that only Roman Catholics are in the Body of Christ, but that fantasy just holds no water...even among wise Catholics.

And if you would then love to assume that James White is somehow outside of the Body of Christ and lost in his sins, thus requiring conversion, then please present the evidence that you magically know this.

Yes. There is only ONE CHURCH, so why you would seek to "convert" people to your denomination and not that ONE CHURCH, is beyond me.


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[bobby_bambino]

Oh yeah! I'm in! Mr. White is very passionate , and I'd love to see him come home.