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Old Jun 26, '07, 10:18 am
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Default Pope issues Motu Proprio, dated June 11

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Old Jun 26, '07, 10:21 am
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ahhh! dang it, I cant read latin that well.
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Old Jun 26, '07, 10:24 am
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ahhh! dang it, I cant read latin that well.
You might want to look at the link

Now I'm really feeling a bit guilty.....
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Old Jun 26, '07, 10:31 am
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Default Re: Pope issues Motu Proprio, dated June 11

Something tells me this isn't the one you were looking for.

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Motu Proprio with which Pope Benedict XVI reinstates the traditional norms for the majority required to elect the Supreme Pontiff (June 11, 2007)

I don't read Latin, either, but the title says enough.
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Old Jun 26, '07, 10:43 am
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whooops, misread it , i'm more embarassed than mad
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Old Jun 26, '07, 11:08 am
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Well, he IS reinstating "traditional" elements to the church.
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Old Jun 26, '07, 11:16 am
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Default Re: Pope issues Motu Proprio, dated June 11

Pope restores two-thirds requirement for papal election
<http://www.cwnews.com/news/rss/index.cfm>

Vatican, Jun. 26, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI (bio
<http://www.cwnews.com/news/biosgloss/definition.cfm?bioID=12> - news
<http://www.cwnews.com/search/processor.cfm?searchfrombio=12> ) has restored
the rule requiring a two-thirds majority among the voting cardinals to elect
a new Roman Pontiff.

The Vatican today made public a motu proprio in which Pope Benedict amends
the rules that had been established by Pope John Paul II (bio
<http://www.cwnews.com/news/biosgloss/definition.cfm?bioID=8> - news
<http://www.cwnews.com/search/processor.cfm?searchfrombio=8> ) in 1996. With
those rules Pope John Paul had allowed for the election of a Pope by a
simple majority if a conclave was unable to produce a two-thirds majority
after 33 ballots.

With a brief document, written in Latin and signed on June 11, Pope Benedict
revived the older standard that had called for a two-thirds majority in
every case. In the motu proprio the Pope reported that a number of cardinals
had called for the amendment, reasoning that the requirement for a
two-thirds majority could discourage cardinals from procedural maneuvers
that might stall a conclave and force a simple-majority ballot.

The new norms set forth by Pope Benedict allow for a different means of
preventing a deadlock. If the conclave has not produced a decision after 21
ballots, the top two vote-getters will be selected for a run-off ballot.
However the requirement for two-thirds support still holds.

Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Vatican press office, observed
that the motu proprio was an indication that Pope Benedict "wants to ensure
that whoever is elected pope enjoys the greatest possible consensus."
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Old Jun 26, '07, 5:30 pm
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Default Re: Pope issues Motu Proprio, dated June 11

This was dated 15 days ago. So maybe another MP will be released soon.

This might be the baby step before the "big" one. Also it is a turn back to the traditional and that is good.
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Old Jun 26, '07, 7:08 pm
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This was dated 15 days ago. So maybe another MP will be released soon.

This might be the baby step before the "big" one. Also it is a turn back to the traditional and that is good.
And yet it is not a turn back to the traditional.

After 21 ballots the top two vote getters will be in a run off that will still require a 2/3's vote to elect. That is not traditional.
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Old Jun 26, '07, 8:48 pm
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As I said baby steps
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Old Jun 27, '07, 4:34 am
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Not saying that it's right or wrong or good or bad but he basicly undid what JPII established.
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Old Jun 27, '07, 4:55 am
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Not saying that it's right or wrong or good or bad but he basicly undid what JPII established.
He really just replaced what John Paul II established. Rather than a majority vote he has set it so it will still be a 2/3's majority but with only the top two vote-getters.
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Old Jun 27, '07, 5:48 am
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It's a nice meshing of the old with the new, I think.
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Old Jun 27, '07, 8:35 am
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It's a nice meshing of the old with the new, I think.
That it is. Something about the simple majority vote always bothered me. I am glad that it wasn't needed at the last conclave.
 

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