SSPX status

[orgel_maestro]

Ok, so it says that this new motu proprio repeals the other ones issued by JP2. So, that means Archbishop Lefebre is no longer excommunicated right? Would it be ok now, to attend SSPX masses? They're not really in schism now are they if hey're no longer excommunicated... anyone?

[BobP123]

Ok, so it says that this new motu proprio repeals the other ones issued by JP2.

Only the conditions for use of the 1962 Missal.

[historyb]

Originally Posted by orgel_maestro

Ok, so it says that this new motu proprio repeals the other ones issued by JP2. So, that means Archbishop Lefebre is no longer excommunicated right? Would it be ok now, to attend SSPX masses? They're not really in schism now are they if hey're no longer excommunicated... anyone?

I don't think the excommunication has been lifted.

From DICI:

The letter which accompanies the Motu Proprio does not hide however the difficulties that still remain. The Society of Saint Pius X wishes that the favorable climate established by the new dispositions of the Holy See will make it possible – after the decree of excommunication which still affects its bishops has been withdrawn – to consider more serenely the disputed doctrinal issues.

http://www.dici.org/accueil.php?loc=US

[bear06]

I believe the excommunications are lifted when the Pope (or someone he's charged with doing so) says they're lifted. The MP didn't say they were lifted. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at some point though. At least, I pray it does.

[8640]

The Mass isn't the only issue here SSPX has pretty much denied the validity of the Second Vatican Council. So, this is just the surface...

[thistle]

Originally Posted by orgel_maestro

Ok, so it says that this new motu proprio repeals the other ones issued by JP2. So, that means Archbishop Lefebre is no longer excommunicated right? Would it be ok now, to attend SSPX masses? They're not really in schism now are they if hey're no longer excommunicated... anyone?

SSPX is still a schismatic group.
The excommunications have not been lifted.

The Latin Mass had nothing to do with the above two points. SSPX became schismatic and its leaders excommunicated due to disobedience to the Pope as they ordained some bishops against the instructions of the Pope not to do so

[trth_skr]

Originally Posted by 8640

The Mass isn't the only issue here SSPX has pretty much denied the validity of the Second Vatican Council. So, this is just the surface...

I believe there is a discussion going on between the SSPX and the Vatican to help end the stand-off. It is quite possible that that is why the Clarifications were issued by the CDF. See this story.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

[Bennie P]

Originally Posted by orgel_maestro

Ok, so it says that this new motu proprio repeals the other ones issued by JP2. So, that means Archbishop Lefebre is no longer excommunicated right? Would it be ok now, to attend SSPX masses? They're not really in schism now are they if hey're no longer excommunicated... anyone?

No, they are still pouting

SSPX sees motu proprio as positive, but not enough

However, Father Stehlin noted, the traditionalist group is not yet ready to return to full communion with the Holy See. The papal document strongly affirmed the use of the Novus Ordo Mass, and the SSPX priest observed: "The post-conciliar rite of the Mass is unacceptable." "We also criticize the Vatican position on the subject of religious freedom," the SSPX spokesman said.

Now, it seems they want the Church to be a democracy under thier dictatorship

[BobP123]

The M.P. has not changed the status of the SSPX. How could the SSPX be controlling anything? Or is there something the Vatican press won't tell us?

[BobP123]

Would it be ok now, to attend SSPX masses?

Just as OK as it was before the M.P. was released, I would think.

[Bennie P]

Originally Posted by BobP123

The M.P. has not changed the status of the SSPX. How could the SSPX be controlling anything? Or is there something the Vatican press won't tell us?

Thier not, that is why they are pouting

[rtconstant]

Originally Posted by bear06

I believe the excommunications are lifted when the Pope (or someone he's charged with doing so) says they're lifted. The MP didn't say they were lifted. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at some point though. At least, I pray it does.

OK, I have a question about the excommunications. If the SSPX confessed their transgression and submitted to proper jurisdictions wouldn't that automatically lift their excommunications? I'm asking this as a technical question. I've been under that impression but I keep hearing people refer to a "lifting" of the excommunications which sounds more formal.

Is there more to it than what I'm thinking (technically not logistically)? Or are references to formal lifting referring to the possibility that Rome will lift it without any acknowledgment of wrong doing by the SSPX?

[porthos11]

Originally Posted by rtconstant

OK, I have a question about the excommunications. If the SSPX confessed their transgression and submitted to proper jurisdictions wouldn't that automatically lift their excommunications? I'm asking this as a technical question. I've been under that impression but I keep hearing people refer to a "lifting" of the excommunications which sounds more formal.

The transgression is not celebrating the traditional Mass without permission. The original offense was ordaining bishops without the Pope's permission, which is an excommunicable offense for both the consecrator and consecrated.

Uncer Canon 1382, the excommunication is reserved to the Apostolic See, therefore, for the SSPX bishops to return to full communion, they must request the lifting of their excommunications from Rome itself.

[rtconstant]

Originally Posted by porthos11

The transgression is not celebrating the traditional Mass without permission. The original offense was ordaining bishops without the Pope's permission, which is an excommunicable offense for both the consecrator and consecrated.

Uncer Canon 1382, the excommunication is reserved to the Apostolic See, therefore, for the SSPX bishops to return to full communion, they must request the lifting of their excommunications from Rome itself.

I was aware of what the cause of the excommunication was but I didn't realize it implied a different reaction though it does make sense. Thanks for your clarification.

[steve green 2]

I hope the irregular status of the PX Society ends in 2008 !!!!!!