Bishop Bruskewitz and the SSPX

Traditionaldan · #1 Jul 9, '07, 7:19 pm

Sorry if I misspelled the Bishops name.
I watched the EWTN Special on the Motu Proprio and thought I heard Bishop Bruskewitz say something to the effect, "We had Saint Pious chismatics in my diocese and we set up a TLM there and they soon went away and many converted to Catholicism".
I have followed the Churches relations with the SSPX and this is the first time I've ever heard it said that they weren't Catholic.
At this time when the Church is reaching out to them this is very poor timing for such a statement.

Stella Matutina · #2 Jul 9, '07, 7:29 pm

He's not the first bishop to point out that they aren't Catholic. It's a well known thing.

Traditionaldan · #3 Jul 9, '07, 7:33 pm

I thought they were Chismatic Catholics, with Valid but illicit sacraments

anthony022071 · #4 Jul 9, '07, 7:37 pm

Since they weren't in communion with the Catholic Church,but defiant of ecclesiastical authority,they weren't really Catholic. They were just traditionalists. They valued Tradition more than fidelity and catholicity.

demerzel85 · #5 Jul 9, '07, 7:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Traditionaldan

I have followed the Churches relations with the SSPX and this is the first time I've ever heard it said that they weren't Catholic.

Well in a way they fell to the Protestant heresy of becoming their own Popes, but still maintaining all the Sacraments, the Mass, the Breviary, the belief in the Real Presence, etc.

Scotty PGH · #6 Jul 9, '07, 7:45 pm

I am no member of the SSPX myself, nor would I call myself a supporter. However, I recognize the great work the SSPX has done in preserving the traditional Catholic faith, and their efforts in preserving many of the traditions the modern Church has seemingly discarded. A forum like this is the last place you'll find the SSPX position properly represented. If you're truly interested, I would suggest you visit http://angelqueen.org/forum/index.php. Ask your questions in an honest, sincere manner and you will hear the other side of the story.

anthony022071 · #7 Jul 9, '07, 8:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Scotty PGH

I am no member of the SSPX myself, nor would I call myself a supporter. However, I recognize the great work the SSPX has done in preserving the traditional Catholic faith, and their efforts in preserving many of the traditions the modern Church has seemingly discarded. A forum like this is the last place you'll find the SSPX position properly represented. If you're truly interested, I would suggest you visit http://angelqueen.org/forum/index.php. Ask your questions in an honest, sincere manner and you will hear the other side of the story.

Here is where you'll find their position properly represented.
Go to the Letter to the Future Bishops, August 29,1987

http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/index.htm#Lefebvre

Brendan · #8 Jul 9, '07, 8:40 pm

Bishop Bruskewitz has issued an excommunication of the SSPX within his diocese.

Ace86 · #9 Jul 9, '07, 9:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Brendan

Bishop Bruskewitz has issued an excommunication of the SSPX within his diocese.

Only Catholics can be excommunicated. Non-Catholics can not. So...

Caesar · #10 Jul 9, '07, 9:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Brendan

Bishop Bruskewitz has issued an excommunication of the SSPX within his diocese.

Along with such groups as Call to Action and the Freemasons.

Bishop Bruskewitz has provided his Diocese with "wide and generous" application of the TLM, so the SSPX have no place there.

John Higgins · #11 Jul 9, '07, 9:54 pm

I'm no fan of the SSPX, but keep in mind their beef with Rome is not only about the liturgy. See several recent quotes from their bishops.

John

Digitonomy · #12 Jul 9, '07, 9:56 pm

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Originally Posted by Brendan

Bishop Bruskewitz has issued an excommunication of the SSPX within his diocese.

When did this occur?

Catholic29 · #13 Jul 9, '07, 9:58 pm

I saw the EWTN special and I must say I was rather dumbfounded at how forthright Bruskewitz came out with that, no mincing of words, straight to the point.

As forceful as Bruskewitz sounded, he was just as right. The SPPX may have valid sacraments and orders, and by and large Catholic theology, but that doesn't cut the mustard when you reject the authority of the Holy Father.

KofC660 · #14 Jul 9, '07, 10:01 pm

The bishops of the SSPX have been excommunicated, no one else.

You are free to attend, receive the Body of Christ, and even give money at a SSPX chapel, all without excommunicating yourself.

ASimpleSinner · #15 Jul 9, '07, 10:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Ace86

Only Catholics can be excommunicated. Non-Catholics can not. So...

So....? Keep going.

In his

Do you recall the details of his annoucement?

It pertained to HIS faithful in the Diocese of Lincoln.

Their continued attendence of illicit Masses by this group acting without Bp. Bruskewitz's authorization, permission or blessing would mean Catholics under his jurisdiction would incur excommunication.